UCU being taken to tribunal over discrimination for 'gc' views

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/gender-critical-documentary-makers-take-ucu-tribunal

The filmmakers of 'Adult Human Female' are taking UCU to tribunal.

I'll try to find an archive copy.

How many trans pp ARE there at Edinburgh Uni?

So he was super worried about trans students and staff maybe feeling threatened, but gave not one shiny shit about SB's situation and the hate she was exposed to

I think he is lying. He knew SB was being threatened and I think she did tell the union and they did nothing

I think he is disembling

Just joining to say I am gutted I've had to do proper work today and missed out on this shambles.

Also 🫨 at the Butters/Upton connection

This is also by Grant Buttars, after managing to block the film:
https://revsoc21.uk/2022/12/19/edinburgh-fights-transphobia/

He seems quite closely connected with RS21 - I had thought Marxists were more into materialism and the material basis of the world, but apparently not always.

So gender critical views cannot be said at Edinburgh because they are against the dignity and respect policy? Is that what he is saying?

Another middle-class, privileged man who doesn't do the work, sitting in a very comfortable room. Didn't even bother to read their policy through before the proceedings. Lots of laboured breathing.

NC Asks about a young woman not able to say to a TiM that she doesn't want him in her changing room.
GB I can't put myself in her position...

That's the whole bloody point. You men!

So any man can come into a women’s space as long as he isn’t doing anything threatening

he is stumbling, just like the women before him

That was UCU's 'rationale' for banning the film on campus:

Having learned of Edinburgh AFAF’s planned screening of the film Adult Human Female, we therefore wrote to the Principal to ask UoE to withdraw support for this event. We are supported by the Staff Pride Network in making this call.
Specifically, we asked for permission for this to be held in a University building to be revoked. We pointed out that the film description (then on Eventbrite but now taken down) contained content that was, “a clear attack on trans people's identities and not in line with Dignity and Respect policy. It is specifically not, ‘expression within a framework of mutual respect’”.
Statement on Edinburgh AFAF film screening — UCU Edinburgh

GB How can you tell someone's gender?
NC A big burly bloke
[we are possibly getting towards Pete making an appearance]
GB There are big burly women...

Surely he cannot believe what he is saying - that this truly is a way of people seeing life/people's bodies/material reality.

Wasn’t me gov

I'm not logged in this afternoon as other stuff to do, but it seemed to be a far fewer number this morning than caused zero problems in the SP case (and others) - well in the SP case until there were some suspicious seemingly deliberate disruptions. I think probably because normal people were wanting to see the insane beliefs for themselves. Like normal opinions being a 'transphobic dogwhistle' which i agree translates to 'opinions you're not allowed to have because we're better than you'.

There needs to be better consistency with the rules about joining and the technology or there isn't really any open justice. However, shouldn't complain, I'm sure they're trying their best, and it's not been too bad thus far. The main thing is that TT can live tweet.

The problem is, these people with the UCU views have been training people who go on to be teachers and then don't understand that the core of this ideology - that others can be compelled by them (not by others naturally) to pretend things which aren't material reality are true - is abusive as defined in KCSIE, so they're failing massively to safeguard children.

Oh so the film is transphobic according to GB but that's not him saying the film makers were to blame it was the contributors

And I don't understand the point about a framework of mutual respect. UCU are right behind climate protestors and Palestine protestors and neither of those groups are respectful

Have you lost contact?

Also their views are embedded in teaching in higher education, and in the training on new lecturers so it is absolutely baked into the system

So someone asked for their argument for banning the film and they didn't bother with actually watching the film or getting proper information about it.

Bingo card - it was Christmas, and people were busy!

Not an excuse for saying now the decision had been made based on lots of information while saying at the time that only the Eventbrite description had been used.

I do not know how NC doesn't just sigh and say 'stop fibbing'

And I don't understand the point about a framework of mutual respect. UCU are right behind climate protestors and Palestine protestors and neither of those groups are respectful

Yes - how can they unilaterally condemn, say, Zionists or fossil fuel producers, but say that any expressions condemning gender ideology are too offensive to be heard on campus? It’s either legally permitted speech or not, surely?

Can anyone who's watching give us an update on how GB is doing? Is he looking sweaty yet?

I wouldn’t say sweaty, perhaps a bit pink?

He might have spent some time in the garden this morning, to prepare himself for this afternoon, so it might just be a touch of the sun.

Stumbling over his words, very nervy

What I want to know is this - building on NC's line of questioning earlier, is this. Bear with, because none of it makes sense.

LM said she was a 'cis woman' and would be uncomfortable if a 'cis' man walked into a toilet / changing room labelled as single sex. (she went on about caring about victims of sexual violence as a reason why she couldn't go into too much detail at one point but that's incompatible with her beliefs as I'm trying to prove here).

NC then pointed out how did she know he was 'cis' gender so lots of floundering there BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL WHICH IS THE POINT.

However, in LM / UCU's view, if the man strips naked but then tells her he's a 'transwoman' complete with penis and balls (as 90%? of them are), will that change her discomfort? According to her trans people felt 'scared' simply being in the room with someone (SB) with GC views and this was unacceptable. Unacceptable for SB to hold (or I'm guessing even be suspected of holding) sex realist beliefs, because of the distress this will cause trans people. (no matter the distress to SB of being ostracised and labelled hateful because of her beliefs that biological sex is real and matters - which the rest of the population mostly also believes).

So if LM happened to convey any of her initial distress in her body language or facial expression, when the man she thought was 'cis' but is actually 'trans' came in and got undressed she is transphobic? And this discomfort will also - presumably - miraculously disappear once the man says he's trans?

IF all this is true - which is the only logically consistent position within her framework of beliefs - this mean the male bodied person, via his transwoman status, is more oppressed than cis LM. This means his perceptions of his gender are more important than LM's perceptions of material reality or gender or anything else really. His perceptions trump hers at all times.

So, does this mean - following to the logical conclusion (thanks for reading this far). If a male bodied convicted sex offender is placed in a woman's prison (as has and is happening). Under gender ideology, even if these convicted sex offenders rape or sexually assault a woman in prison, her perception of the material reality she's been raped and the trauma of that, are LESS IMPORTANT than the male bodied person's feelings of distress she perceives him as male (even though he's raped her with his penis)?

Which boils down to trans people's perceptions and wants trump everyone else's rights at all times.

It doesn't help that joiners aren't muted until the clerk does it manually. I emailed the main email address the other day to say my microphone had been live for quite some time.

You really couldn't make it up. And they're supposed to be ACADEMICS!

I'm seriously considering telling my kids they're not allowed to go to Uni because it'd be a total waste of money. Unless they do Criminology under Jo P!