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PrettyDamnCosmic · 03/04/2025 15:47

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 15:05

It doesn't help that joiners aren't muted until the clerk does it manually. I emailed the main email address the other day to say my microphone had been live for quite some time.

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I had the option to mute the microphone on connection but had to manually disable the camera.

Chrysanthemum5 · 03/04/2025 15:58

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 15:05

What I want to know is this - building on NC's line of questioning earlier, is this. Bear with, because none of it makes sense.

LM said she was a 'cis woman' and would be uncomfortable if a 'cis' man walked into a toilet / changing room labelled as single sex. (she went on about caring about victims of sexual violence as a reason why she couldn't go into too much detail at one point but that's incompatible with her beliefs as I'm trying to prove here).

NC then pointed out how did she know he was 'cis' gender so lots of floundering there BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL WHICH IS THE POINT.

However, in LM / UCU's view, if the man strips naked but then tells her he's a 'transwoman' complete with penis and balls (as 90%? of them are), will that change her discomfort? According to her trans people felt 'scared' simply being in the room with someone (SB) with GC views and this was unacceptable. Unacceptable for SB to hold (or I'm guessing even be suspected of holding) sex realist beliefs, because of the distress this will cause trans people. (no matter the distress to SB of being ostracised and labelled hateful because of her beliefs that biological sex is real and matters - which the rest of the population mostly also believes).

So if LM happened to convey any of her initial distress in her body language or facial expression, when the man she thought was 'cis' but is actually 'trans' came in and got undressed she is transphobic? And this discomfort will also - presumably - miraculously disappear once the man says he's trans?

IF all this is true - which is the only logically consistent position within her framework of beliefs - this mean the male bodied person, via his transwoman status, is more oppressed than cis LM. This means his perceptions of his gender are more important than LM's perceptions of material reality or gender or anything else really. His perceptions trump hers at all times.

So, does this mean - following to the logical conclusion (thanks for reading this far). If a male bodied convicted sex offender is placed in a woman's prison (as has and is happening). Under gender ideology, even if these convicted sex offenders rape or sexually assault a woman in prison, her perception of the material reality she's been raped and the trauma of that, are LESS IMPORTANT than the male bodied person's feelings of distress she perceives him as male (even though he's raped her with his penis)?

Which boils down to trans people's perceptions and wants trump everyone else's rights at all times.

The Edinburgh trans microagressions toolkit says pretty much that so I do hope LW is not being transphobic in the ladies toilets

fanOfBen · 03/04/2025 15:58

I think it is always possible, and probably wise, to turn off your microphone and camera at the level of your computer's settings. Then to the tribunal web application it just looks as though it's talking to a computer that doesn't have a working microphone or camera, and nothing can go wrong.

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 15:59

@OhBuggerandArse

When he gets put on the spot he blusters, stutters, breathes heavily, moves around an awful lot, tries to push the question away by making noises rather than speaking actual sentences.

And at one stage while he is doing this, while NC was asking him about what happened at the actual physical protests, Naomi and her fellow counsel had a lovely little chuckling [silent] exchange between themselves.

OhBuggerandArse · 03/04/2025 16:02

For Women Scotland have a helpful thread to remind us all of what Grant got up to at the time of the screenings: https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1907804974228132276

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1907804974228132276

Madcats · 03/04/2025 16:02

Thank you for the ongoing commentary.

I’d love to be a fly on the wall in the Edinburgh Uni staff room. Presumably Papa Upton would have been free to discuss the NHS Fife ET and warned GB that NC is a force to be reckoned with.

I think I’d have done a bit more prep if I were going to be quizzed by NC, but maybe its a bit girlie swat?

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 16:03

NC [reading from GB's blog where he talks about the protest carried out by various groups, and talks about 'our victory' in stopping the film going ahead]

GB: I was not writing this article as a member of UCU. My personal opinions are different.
🙄

Appalonia · 03/04/2025 16:06

The protest was on a lovely summer evening, there was singing and dancing. Oh joy!

IHeartHalloumi · 03/04/2025 16:06

Is that his Rev blog posted earlier on this thread? He extensively uses 'we' appearing to mean UCU and references UCU actions and motions there so it's clearly describing UCU actions not his personal opinions.

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 16:07

Talking about the second attempt to show the film and the protest
GB It was a lovely summer's evening, lots of music and singing, upbeat, all sorts of performances.
NC And jeering at age and sex of ppl attending the film.
GB Yes, heard about that later. Don't agree with that.

Does this man think he is still a student? Does he not think that he now needs to see the world as an adult, to take responsibility for his decisions and actions and for their effect on others, and to invoke whatever ability for critical thinking he may possess?

TheOtherRaven · 03/04/2025 16:09

Datun · 03/04/2025 15:19

Eresh will remember better, but a TRA said exactly that. That there is no such thing as a rape if it's been conducted by a transwoman.

For precisely the reasons you mention.

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It is in effect agreeing to be unconditionally submissive and obedient/enabling to a man, based on what he tells you.

Lark1ane · 03/04/2025 16:09

Thanks so much everyone. I'm not able to follow this in real time so it's great to be able to look in here. I resigned from this union, so I'm very much personally invested in how it goes. 'Nuff said. NC doing a grand job it seems.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/04/2025 16:10

TheOtherRaven · 03/04/2025 16:09

It is in effect agreeing to be unconditionally submissive and obedient/enabling to a man, based on what he tells you.

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Exactly this, in a nutshell.

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 16:11

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/04/2025 15:21

I think a few have said something along those lines. It’s deliberate trolling to get a reaction, but pretty vile.

I mean it's consistent with the ideology, at least, though exposes the not thinking actual women have human rights core of it.

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 16:11

Does this man think he is still a student? Does he not think that he now needs to see the world as an adult, to take responsibility for his decisions and actions and for their effect on others, and to invoke whatever ability for critical thinking he may possess?

Honestly, this happens more than you'd think/hope. Some people seem to want to be perpetual students (even when they're not any more). Used to work alongside someone whose answer to everything was "What about the students?" It was a service for everyone and yet students always had to come first and centre. We could never do anything that students might not like Hmm

TheOtherRaven · 03/04/2025 16:12

It was was a lovely evening with singing and dancing and women being told to die, and being physically assaulted.

AnnaMagnani · 03/04/2025 16:13

This has such a similar vibe to the Jo Phoenix tribunal with academics thinking their views are of incredible importance when outside a group of 20-30 people that know them, nobody cares.

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 16:13

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 15:18

You aren't, I've always joined as an observer and I'm definitely not muted - I always check because I don't want to be booted out because the Tribunal has heard me bellow "Oh FFS, you lying incompetent fucktrumpet" in frustration at the UCU witnesses Grin

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Oh that's weird, it immediately shows a line through the mic icon when I join as an observer. But I am now very glad I actually turned my mic off in computer settings to be doubly sure. 😀

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/04/2025 16:13

YY @AnnaMagnani

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 16:13

Witness: "We couldn't have a policy that didn't comply with the law."

<eyebrows disappear past hairline and into stratosphere>

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 16:14

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 16:13

Witness: "We couldn't have a policy that didn't comply with the law."

<eyebrows disappear past hairline and into stratosphere>

I am getting very worried about your eyebrows, @SidewaysOtter

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 16:14

DOGWHISTLES!

Judge wants a time estimate, presumably as she never wants to hear that word again either.

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 16:15

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 16:14

I am getting very worried about your eyebrows, @SidewaysOtter

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They're getting quite the workout today.

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 16:15

Is a dogwhistle a dogwhistle?

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 16:15

TheOtherRaven · 03/04/2025 16:12

It was was a lovely evening with singing and dancing and women being told to die, and being physically assaulted.

Well for some people it's conceivable a lovely summer evening does involve death threats against women. I wouldn't be at all surprised.

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