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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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nauticant · 03/04/2025 11:16

"Do you know how many trans people have been murdered in the UK in the last 10 years?" "Do you know how many women have been murdered in the UK in the last 10 years?"

LW was offended and was going on about the number of trans people murdered around the world. NC then asked the right question to cut through that: how many of them were murdered by gender critical feminists?

AsWithGlad · 03/04/2025 11:16

@fanOfBen wrote:
Personally I do not find LW credible, I wonder whether the tribunal does?

Initially, in my opinion, I thought she was doing the equivalent of “I wasn’t there” as a version of “bigger person did it and ran away”.

Appalonia · 03/04/2025 11:19

She doesn't make much sense does she?

nauticant · 03/04/2025 11:19

LW now saying that there's no debate happening. This seems to be based in her view that gender critical views are invalid and shouldn't be aired.

AsWithGlad · 03/04/2025 11:20

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 11:13

If UCU adopts a position that inherently doesn't allow WORIADS to be expressed, and takes action to prevent this, that seems pretty slam dunk discrimination against GC members.

Maybe they'll decide anyone GC can't be a member, will enjoy that court case.

I left teaching a long time ago, but then there was a teaching union which had a policy of never going on strike. Perhaps a new union will emerge. As mentioned earlier, why pay £40 a month for a union which won’t represent you.

UCU doesn’t have to be explicit about its discrimination, it just has to practise it.

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 11:21

My main question is how can someone who cannot answer direct questions and jumps to manipulative emotive hyperbole so quickly hold this position? How is she credible as an instructor after this?

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 11:24

How can there be a debate when any discussion was howled down in a hail of "NO DEBATE!!!!1"?

And <side eye> at the reference to "individuals" who are gender critical. Harks back to the idea that there's six of us and our sockpuppets Hmm

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 11:24

My feeling is that the empirical biological reality of sexed human bodies is considered 'hidden transphobia'. Before we know it the existence of humans who gestate humans in their uteri (uteruses?) will be considered a hate crime by these loons.

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 11:25

If I never hear the emotionally manipulative term 'dogwhistle' again it will be too soon.

Appalonia · 03/04/2025 11:28

I was at one of KJK 's LWS events a few years ago in Hyde Park and she actually gave out to the audience real dogwhistles!😂

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 11:28

Please please ask how biologists are supposed to talk about the reality of sex if they can't say something like 'sex matters'.

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 11:29

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 11:25

If I never hear the emotionally manipulative term 'dogwhistle' again it will be too soon.

I'm glad it didn't go on the bingo card, we'd all be shitfaced by now.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/04/2025 11:29

I think she has them on sale on her site.

Appalonia · 03/04/2025 11:29

Biological sex is a dogwhistle. Bingo!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/04/2025 11:31

I was hoping she’d ask her to clarify which aren’t dog whistles. Well done Naomi.

PondFloater · 03/04/2025 11:31

not heard of "watchful waiting"
bloody hell

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 11:32

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 11:29

I'm glad it didn't go on the bingo card, we'd all be shitfaced by now.

😂I can read the headlines 'Suddenly on 3rd April, hundreds of previously respectable middle aged mothers turned up to their school pick up 'worse for wear' and sociologists are at a loss to explain this phenomenon'.

Appalonia · 03/04/2025 11:32

"Don't know much about history
Don't know much biology... "

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 11:33

PondFloater · 03/04/2025 11:31

not heard of "watchful waiting"
bloody hell

Pretty much saying she doesn't give the tiniest shit about child safeguarding.

Good look.

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 11:35

Ah, just confirmed she doesn't care if children get harmed and the words people use to raise safeguarding concerns are more important than actual physical harm. Nice.

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 11:36

NC is on fire.

GCAcademic · 03/04/2025 11:37

Catabogus · 03/04/2025 09:53

And, on that matter I presume this is the same Grant Buttars (today’s witness), comparing Stock to a pro-paedophile racist: https://revsoc21.uk/2021/11/02/when-is-it-right-for-a-union-to-support-dismissal/

Yes, the same. He’s one of the most aggressive and misogynistic bullies in UCU. And also not an academic. I’m uncomfortable about UCU representing Professional Services staff because some of them do seem to demonstrate outright hostility towards the principle of academic freedom.

Appalonia · 03/04/2025 11:40

Has she actually watched the film, do we know?

nauticant · 03/04/2025 11:41

NC just got LW to admit that any film called Adult Human Female, made to address the two critical questions of gender critical views, must be transphobic. But it was all hedged around and not especially clear.

nauticant · 03/04/2025 11:42

NC is going for the key point. UCU did not care about the content of the film, they just wanted it banned whatever the content was.

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