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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Fife tries to silence nurse

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Hoardasurass · 13/10/2024 09:36

So as has been mentioned on threads about the Darlington nurses a nurse is sueing NHS Fife over its trans staff policy.
The poor nurse was forced to get changed infront of a man in the female changing facilities, when she complained about it she was 1st told to change in a cupboard if she didn't like it, then they tried to bully her into swapping shifts so she didn't work with the man in question (she wouldn't), then they wanted her to move hospital (again she refused) so then they suspended her without pay for months until her solicitor got involved and now they are trying to gag her by insisting that the court case (starts in February) must be held in secret (I wonder why) and will be in crt next month asking to restrict reporting on the case.

This case is really important in Scotland because the trans staff policy that's going on trial in this case is the Scottish government's own policy used in all public sector organisations in Scotland and works on self id. So when this case is won it will finally kill the Scottish government's self id policy in all public bodies

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nhs-fife-fights-secret-hearings-33877891?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

NHS Fife fights for secret hearings in trans woman in female changing room case

NHS Fife is facing landmark legal action by a nurse suspended after complaining about a transwoman in a female changing room.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nhs-fife-fights-secret-hearings-33877891

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lcakethereforeIam · 04/02/2025 11:24

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2025 11:19

God I need a pee and a cup of tea please let them break soon.

flowing water GIF

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/02/2025 11:25

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2025 11:24

Seems to be going through Beths 'notes' line by line.

This could take a while.

Line by line. Then putting them together and seeing if Peggy will agree the whole paragraph was said despite Peggy already saying some lines hadn't been said.

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2025 11:26

I hope everyone working with Dr Upton also keeps meticulous notes during their shift immediately after each interaction.

seXX · 04/02/2025 11:26

if beth was so desperate to stop the conversation and he says he didn't get changed, why didn't he just walk out?

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 04/02/2025 11:27

JR: 'Like a dog with a bone'

It takes one to know one, Dr Upton!

TWETMIRF · 04/02/2025 11:27

I would certainly start doing so if I worked there

PoshCoffee · 04/02/2025 11:28

I’d be wearing bodycam if I had to work with this bloke

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 04/02/2025 11:28

nauticant · 04/02/2025 11:19

It would seem that any gender critical woman will be stitched up in a first level internal investigation in the NHS. How many women have had to give up at that point? More importantly, the chilling effect of that must be considerable.

good point. FOI request? If it's just on the number of such investigations it won't be asking for personal data

TWETMIRF · 04/02/2025 11:28

seXX · 04/02/2025 11:26

if beth was so desperate to stop the conversation and he says he didn't get changed, why didn't he just walk out?

The poor hulking great brute couldn't possibly get away from the woman

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/02/2025 11:29

Who is Esther Davidson?

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 04/02/2025 11:29

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2025 11:26

I hope everyone working with Dr Upton also keeps meticulous notes during their shift immediately after each interaction.

At this rate everyone in the hospital will be too busy note taking for patient care. Not to mention terrified of any spoken interaction to the point it compromises patient care.

Szygy · 04/02/2025 11:30
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I don't think she said that he was indifferent yesterday, she just said he didn't seem upset, I think. Not the same. He can say he's sorry in a neutral tone and still not mean it

Like this, you mean?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/02/2025 11:31

FFS Upton is the one imposing himself in the women's changing rooms

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 04/02/2025 11:31

Why aren't we getting on to scientific fact? It's a political opinion TWAW, it's BOTH a political opinion AND Actual verifiable scientific fact that TWAM.

TWETMIRF · 04/02/2025 11:31

Going back to the eye contact, what would DrU say if SP stared him directly in the eyes while he was getting undressed? Would that be intimidating for the poor flower?

borntobequiet · 04/02/2025 11:31

nauticant · 04/02/2025 11:03

Peggie is doing really well here in pointing out that her dignity is important too, especially when she's in a changing room.

Totally agree

Boiledbeetle · 04/02/2025 11:32

JR Imposing your opinions on other people could be a form of bullying?

Well then JR what is imposing a man on women in the women's changing room? I'd say that's bullying of the women.

Five minute break

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 04/02/2025 11:32

Thank goodness I'm nowhere near Scotland if scientific fact is so casually disregarded by their NHS.

Harassedevictee · 04/02/2025 11:32

WRT Beth taking notes this suggests they were pre-empting having to make a grievance or defending their behaviour.

As an HR professional I was mindful that my notes, actions etc. could end up at an ET. I would tend to make copious notes just in case.

GCITC · 04/02/2025 11:32

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/02/2025 11:29

Who is Esther Davidson?

Don't quote me but I think she's a charge nurse. I believe she has been called as a witness.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/02/2025 11:33

Does Peggy not get a pee break?

lcakethereforeIam · 04/02/2025 11:33

Who takes contemporaneous notes of conversations? He was ready for this. He was expecting complaints about using the women's cr. Perhaps he'd been given a heads-up because of Peggie's previous complaints to her line managers or maybe from advice from trans fora (he was undoubtedly using) before he even officially 'came out'.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 04/02/2025 11:33

I think it's a shame (but acknowledging the huge pressure SP is under) that SP agreed TWAM is a political opinion. It's scientific fact as well as her perception and she's been told to tell the truth.

Harassedevictee · 04/02/2025 11:35

lcakethereforeIam · 04/02/2025 11:33

Who takes contemporaneous notes of conversations? He was ready for this. He was expecting complaints about using the women's cr. Perhaps he'd been given a heads-up because of Peggie's previous complaints to her line managers or maybe from advice from trans fora (he was undoubtedly using) before he even officially 'came out'.

I do if I have any idea it could end up in court.

Without being outing I have a family matter that has become ugly and could end up in court. I could see the potential from Day 1 and kept notes, timeline etc.

nauticant · 04/02/2025 11:35

We're going to need a new thread. I'll start one if that suits everyone.

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