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Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

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IwantToRetire · 11/04/2024 01:43

But Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP placed under investigation by the party last year for campaigning against gender ideology, pointed out that women who had exposed the scandal had been “blanked, sidelined and dismissed” by male leaders simply for speaking up.

And feminist Julie Bindel demanded an apology from Mr Streeting for failing to support her gender-critical views when he was president of the National Union of Students.

In reply to Ms Bindel’s accusation, Mr Streeting replied: “From memory (16 years on, so correct me if I’m wrong!) I replied to confirm that you weren’t on NUS’ no platform policy and as this was in relation to a motion passed by the autonomous women’s campaign I was not empowered to overturn it (not least as a male president!).”

This prompted Ms Duffield to retweet the (Les Streeting) statement, with the message: “To the many women blanked, sidelined, dismissed by male leaders when speaking up and exposing this for years.”

And Ms Bindel wrote: “Glad to see you are now openly critical of the gender ideology that led to the atrocities against children outlined in the Cass report.

“I am open to accepting an apology from you. In 2008, when you were NUS president, I was no-platformed alongside five fascist groups for ‘transphobia’.

“I contacted you and asked for your help. You gave none. I asked you to condemn those that had orchestrated the no-platforming, and you refused.

“Have you any idea of the reputational damage this caused me? How it gave others permission to no-platform, denounce and defame me?
“How it meant that I could be slandered by other organisations, and so many, many universities around the UK and elsewhere? If this sounds bitter then good, because I am.”

To this message, Ms Duffield said: “Thank you for leading us all here Julie. Without you, most of us wouldn’t have had a clue what had been happening to children who were far too young to have the critical faculties or agency to consent.”

Extracts not full article in Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/

Also at https://archive.ph/IfNp8

Earlier thread about Wes Streeting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5047018-wes-streeting-labour-shadow-health-secretary-pledges-support-for-the-cass-reviews-evidence-led-recommendations-and-our-determination-to-put-childrens-health-and-wellbeing-above-the-political-fray

Labour women tear into Wes Streeting as Cass report ignites fresh trans row

MP Rosie Duffield and author Julie Bindel call out shadow health secretary over failure by male leaders to listen to gender-critical women

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review

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PartyOfWomen · 11/04/2024 04:29

I've no interest in hearing about Duffield after her complete snubbing of Kellie-Jay yesterday.

mirax · 11/04/2024 05:30

PartyOfWomen · 11/04/2024 04:29

I've no interest in hearing about Duffield after her complete snubbing of Kellie-Jay yesterday.

As lefty GC women get slowly get accepted back into the fold of 'decent society', expect more of this. While they were shunned by their bearded compatriots, it was difficult enough for some of them to hold their noses against the likes of the KJK, the pound shop Le Pin.

FrancescaContini · 11/04/2024 06:37

Thank you for the archived link, @IwantToRetire

Do you mean Le Pen, @mirax ?

greyonwhitesky · 11/04/2024 06:42

PartyOfWomen · 11/04/2024 04:29

I've no interest in hearing about Duffield after her complete snubbing of Kellie-Jay yesterday.

What happened?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 06:45

If you want to understand just how batshit some of the grassroots Labour activists are, take a look at this thread.

www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/s/1chYy7vZDD

Runor · 11/04/2024 07:03

Eresh wow! They are arguing that there should be zero gatekeeping on ‘trans medicine’ and estrogen (sic) should be available over the counter. What could possibly go wrong?!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 07:05

Blimey, I had no idea how long Julie Bindel had been fighting this fight.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 07:06

This has long been a TRA goal https://www.tumblr.com/edinburghath/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto

Trans health is bodily autonomy. We will express our needs, and they will be met. We will change our bodies however we want. We will have universally accessible and freely available hormones & blockers, surgical procedures, and any other relevant treatments and therapies. We will end the medical gatekeeping of our bodies. We will have full, historical accountability for the abuses perpetuated against us in the name of 'healthcare'. We will see reparations for these crimes, and the crimes committed against others in our names.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 07:06

My last reply was to @Runor

mirax · 11/04/2024 07:33

FrancescaContini · 11/04/2024 06:37

Thank you for the archived link, @IwantToRetire

Do you mean Le Pen, @mirax ?

Lol. Yes. Le Pen.

highame · 11/04/2024 07:40

PartyOfWomen · 11/04/2024 04:29

I've no interest in hearing about Duffield after her complete snubbing of Kellie-Jay yesterday.

Why should everyone be enthral to KJK just because she is GC and outspokenly so?

DSDaisy · 11/04/2024 07:42

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Crouton19 · 11/04/2024 07:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 07:06

This has long been a TRA goal https://www.tumblr.com/edinburghath/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto

Trans health is bodily autonomy. We will express our needs, and they will be met. We will change our bodies however we want. We will have universally accessible and freely available hormones & blockers, surgical procedures, and any other relevant treatments and therapies. We will end the medical gatekeeping of our bodies. We will have full, historical accountability for the abuses perpetuated against us in the name of 'healthcare'. We will see reparations for these crimes, and the crimes committed against others in our names.

Christ, the sheer entitlement! I also demand free hairdye, liposuction, facelift all paid for by taxpayers to affirm my identity of being 25 forever.

FrancescaContini · 11/04/2024 07:44

Excellent point @DSDaisy

soupfiend · 11/04/2024 07:45

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 07:06

This has long been a TRA goal https://www.tumblr.com/edinburghath/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto

Trans health is bodily autonomy. We will express our needs, and they will be met. We will change our bodies however we want. We will have universally accessible and freely available hormones & blockers, surgical procedures, and any other relevant treatments and therapies. We will end the medical gatekeeping of our bodies. We will have full, historical accountability for the abuses perpetuated against us in the name of 'healthcare'. We will see reparations for these crimes, and the crimes committed against others in our names.

Hmm, if only I could say the same about my gallstones, thyroid, HRT needs, the list is endless

I identify as someone who has got to the top of the waiting list and has an appointment with a consultant but everyone is IGNORING ME!!!!

Crouton19 · 11/04/2024 07:56

Is there any reaction from the not too bright Labour MP who accussed Kemi Badenoch of calling trans a disease? I've forgotten her name, but she appeared to be totally captured during that select committee.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 07:58

Kate Osborne.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 07:58

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Yes. It's all so unhinged yet society is expected to take them seriously.

CaptainWarbeck · 11/04/2024 08:00

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 07:06

This has long been a TRA goal https://www.tumblr.com/edinburghath/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto

Trans health is bodily autonomy. We will express our needs, and they will be met. We will change our bodies however we want. We will have universally accessible and freely available hormones & blockers, surgical procedures, and any other relevant treatments and therapies. We will end the medical gatekeeping of our bodies. We will have full, historical accountability for the abuses perpetuated against us in the name of 'healthcare'. We will see reparations for these crimes, and the crimes committed against others in our names.

'Medical gatekeeping of bodies' is needed. It's the reason why I can't turn up to a surgeon and request a hand amputation without good evidence as to why that would be in my best interest. They would be ethically right to gatekeep, acting in my best interests and the interests of the health system they work in not to waste time performing unnecessary and unevidence-based surgery.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 08:04

"There should probably be a moratorium on forcing children to go through the wrong puberty" according to the latest from Reddit Labour.

FrancescaContini · 11/04/2024 08:07

That list of unrealistic/ unhinged demands isn’t too far off a young child stamping their foot and demanding that “I will have ice cream for breakfast and I will watch whatever I want and I will play in the snow in bare feet” on and on…

CaptainWarbeck · 11/04/2024 08:09

Yep. They just need to add 'within reason' on the end of every sentence of that list of demands.

AthenaWhite · 11/04/2024 08:11

They are such an echo chamber on reddit. You get kicked out for the mildest comment that doesn't agree with the pro medicalisation view. Absolutely insane.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 08:14

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 08:04

"There should probably be a moratorium on forcing children to go through the wrong puberty" according to the latest from Reddit Labour.

There is no such thing as the wrong puberty because there is no medical intervention that can make you go through the opposite sex puberty.

So the choice is going through your own puberty, or not going through puberty at all and never becoming sexually mature.

It's not even clear whether someone would go through puberty if they took puberty blockers until adulthood and then stopped.

Sureaseggs44 · 11/04/2024 08:34

PartyOfWomen · 11/04/2024 04:29

I've no interest in hearing about Duffield after her complete snubbing of Kellie-Jay yesterday.

How did she snub her ?