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Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

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IwantToRetire · 11/04/2024 01:43

But Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP placed under investigation by the party last year for campaigning against gender ideology, pointed out that women who had exposed the scandal had been “blanked, sidelined and dismissed” by male leaders simply for speaking up.

And feminist Julie Bindel demanded an apology from Mr Streeting for failing to support her gender-critical views when he was president of the National Union of Students.

In reply to Ms Bindel’s accusation, Mr Streeting replied: “From memory (16 years on, so correct me if I’m wrong!) I replied to confirm that you weren’t on NUS’ no platform policy and as this was in relation to a motion passed by the autonomous women’s campaign I was not empowered to overturn it (not least as a male president!).”

This prompted Ms Duffield to retweet the (Les Streeting) statement, with the message: “To the many women blanked, sidelined, dismissed by male leaders when speaking up and exposing this for years.”

And Ms Bindel wrote: “Glad to see you are now openly critical of the gender ideology that led to the atrocities against children outlined in the Cass report.

“I am open to accepting an apology from you. In 2008, when you were NUS president, I was no-platformed alongside five fascist groups for ‘transphobia’.

“I contacted you and asked for your help. You gave none. I asked you to condemn those that had orchestrated the no-platforming, and you refused.

“Have you any idea of the reputational damage this caused me? How it gave others permission to no-platform, denounce and defame me?
“How it meant that I could be slandered by other organisations, and so many, many universities around the UK and elsewhere? If this sounds bitter then good, because I am.”

To this message, Ms Duffield said: “Thank you for leading us all here Julie. Without you, most of us wouldn’t have had a clue what had been happening to children who were far too young to have the critical faculties or agency to consent.”

Extracts not full article in Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/

Also at https://archive.ph/IfNp8

Earlier thread about Wes Streeting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5047018-wes-streeting-labour-shadow-health-secretary-pledges-support-for-the-cass-reviews-evidence-led-recommendations-and-our-determination-to-put-childrens-health-and-wellbeing-above-the-political-fray

Labour women tear into Wes Streeting as Cass report ignites fresh trans row

MP Rosie Duffield and author Julie Bindel call out shadow health secretary over failure by male leaders to listen to gender-critical women

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 20:51

Here's Reddit Labour's nuanced, totally hinged take

www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/s/39iRjymiHw

pickledandpuzzled · 11/04/2024 21:04

wow I really must vote for them. They are clearly just the folk to run the country.

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 21:13

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 19:38

Oh for goodness sake. Hyperbole much. Their leader is not an "out and out misogynist".

Any man (Kier) that claims that 1% of women have penises is a giant wanker and also a giant misogynist.

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 21:13

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 11/04/2024 20:14

They don't make a violin tiny enough..

😂

KellieJaysLapdog · 11/04/2024 21:15

pickledandpuzzled · 11/04/2024 21:04

wow I really must vote for them. They are clearly just the folk to run the country.

TBF I don’t think anyone on the LabourUK subreddit is actually a Labour voter let alone a Labour member, it’s more of a ‘WeHateLabourUK’ subreddit.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 21:16

😂
Poor old Labour. Outed as being on the wrong side of history over safeguarding children - so embarrassing.
Still - that golden bridge is getting busy and if they can park their Misogynist Tendency somewhere remote and windy they might be able to creep back to sanity and we can start voting for them again.

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 21:18

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 20:51

Here's Reddit Labour's nuanced, totally hinged take

www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/s/39iRjymiHw

Batshit crazy.

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 21:22

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 21:13

Any man (Kier) that claims that 1% of women have penises is a giant wanker and also a giant misogynist.

I think if you think Starmer is a "massive misogynist" you've had a sheltered life 😂

Datun · 11/04/2024 21:24

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 20:51

Here's Reddit Labour's nuanced, totally hinged take

www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/s/39iRjymiHw

Bloody hell

TheBanffie · 11/04/2024 21:27

Anyone seen any response from Scottish Labour or the SNP to the Cass Report? As health is devolved the Sandyford clinic is still supplying puberty suppressants to children (according to the BBC).

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 21:30

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 21:22

I think if you think Starmer is a "massive misogynist" you've had a sheltered life 😂

You clearly cannot see the misogyny in denying that women are a sex class all of their own. I consider it to be misogyny on steroids.

I imagine that in your limited world view, Starmer is a wonderful progressive feminist. 🙄

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 21:33

@Datun

Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 21:34

And another.

Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 21:35

More.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 21:36

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Otter2 · 11/04/2024 21:37

Also - if he has said 'I was wrong to say that all transwomen are women' he has left the door open somewhat to still being able to say that 'some transwomen are women', no? The pretty ones maybe? The non-rapey ones perhaps?

lonelywater · 11/04/2024 21:42

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 21:37

Also - if he has said 'I was wrong to say that all transwomen are women' he has left the door open somewhat to still being able to say that 'some transwomen are women', no? The pretty ones maybe? The non-rapey ones perhaps?

Streeting once again taking advice from the "How to influence nobody and make enemies" playbook. That statement just pisses off everyone on either side of the argument. He should have said that either Transwomen are women (pro tip-they aren't) or they are not. Fuckwit.

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 21:42

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 21:30

You clearly cannot see the misogyny in denying that women are a sex class all of their own. I consider it to be misogyny on steroids.

I imagine that in your limited world view, Starmer is a wonderful progressive feminist. 🙄

Starmer says woman = adult female. Which is not "denying they are a sex class".

Starmer has actually done more for women than your average feminist ally.

Datun · 11/04/2024 21:44

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 21:36

Etc.

Thank you!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 21:45

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 21:42

Starmer says woman = adult female. Which is not "denying they are a sex class".

Starmer has actually done more for women than your average feminist ally.

And what does he think female means?

Datun · 11/04/2024 21:46

There is sooo much reverse ferreting going on, I think the world might start spinning in the opposite direction.

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 21:48

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 21:45

And what does he think female means?

🙄i can't even really be bothered. It's fine to distrust him but it's not accurate to call him a misogynist and say he doesn't recognise women as a sex class.

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 21:50

Datun · 11/04/2024 21:46

There is sooo much reverse ferreting going on, I think the world might start spinning in the opposite direction.

Streeting has been GC for ages. Because he actually talked to women as requested.
I feel bad he's getting a pasting from all sides, he's been a big advocate in Labour.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 21:50

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 21:48

🙄i can't even really be bothered. It's fine to distrust him but it's not accurate to call him a misogynist and say he doesn't recognise women as a sex class.

Adam, we have to ask, because all of the words have been redefined.

If he's using the word female the same way India Willoughby uses it, or the way the Gender Recognition Act uses it for that matter, his definition of a woman as an adult female is fucking meaningless.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 21:56

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 21:48

🙄i can't even really be bothered. It's fine to distrust him but it's not accurate to call him a misogynist and say he doesn't recognise women as a sex class.

Any man who claims that 99% of women don't have a penis or instructs people not to say "only women have a cervix" does not recognise woman as a sex class.

People need to have higher expectations when politicians tell lies like this.