Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

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But Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP placed under investigation by the party last year for campaigning against gender ideology, pointed out that women who had exposed the scandal had been “blanked, sidelined and dismissed” by male leaders simply for speaking up.

And feminist Julie Bindel demanded an apology from Mr Streeting for failing to support her gender-critical views when he was president of the National Union of Students.

In reply to Ms Bindel’s accusation, Mr Streeting replied: “From memory (16 years on, so correct me if I’m wrong!) I replied to confirm that you weren’t on NUS’ no platform policy and as this was in relation to a motion passed by the autonomous women’s campaign I was not empowered to overturn it (not least as a male president!).”

This prompted Ms Duffield to retweet the (Les Streeting) statement, with the message: “To the many women blanked, sidelined, dismissed by male leaders when speaking up and exposing this for years.”

And Ms Bindel wrote: “Glad to see you are now openly critical of the gender ideology that led to the atrocities against children outlined in the Cass report.

“I am open to accepting an apology from you. In 2008, when you were NUS president, I was no-platformed alongside five fascist groups for ‘transphobia’.

“I contacted you and asked for your help. You gave none. I asked you to condemn those that had orchestrated the no-platforming, and you refused.

“Have you any idea of the reputational damage this caused me? How it gave others permission to no-platform, denounce and defame me?
“How it meant that I could be slandered by other organisations, and so many, many universities around the UK and elsewhere? If this sounds bitter then good, because I am.”

To this message, Ms Duffield said: “Thank you for leading us all here Julie. Without you, most of us wouldn’t have had a clue what had been happening to children who were far too young to have the critical faculties or agency to consent.”

Extracts not full article in Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/

Also at https://archive.ph/IfNp8

Earlier thread about Wes Streeting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5047018-wes-streeting-labour-shadow-health-secretary-pledges-support-for-the-cass-reviews-evidence-led-recommendations-and-our-determination-to-put-childrens-health-and-wellbeing-above-the-political-fray

That's a very wise post. There's definitely a pattern on certain threads where one poster makes (as an example) negative political insinuations and then other posters react, challenge those false but damaging claims in good faith and then a "back and forth" develops.
It's always a shame that a few people are so lacking in insight and self awareness that they see political differences as a threat and are unable to discuss them without descending into childish assertions. Always reminds me of how important it is when working with adolescents to enable them to develop the maturity to accept and discuss difference without it being necessarily a threat to their world view.

But I suppose that's a consequence of our twitterverse age where critical thinking and empathy is discouraged while throwing accusations of wrongthink are seen as a debating tactic.

I heard back from mumsnet and they said it was because they considered my comment to be "troll hunting" so in fact i have asked that they use my post for a quick poll to see if those on the thread thought it troll hunting or was pointing out bad faith commenting in the context of the focus of FWR being feminism and women's rights, not party proselytising. (Not that I thought my post brilliant but could be illustrative of how MNHQ sees things and actual posters. added for clarity)

And in fact my post was far more critical of the FWRers who are indeed like a dog with a bone!

Because as said up thread ignoring is obviously the best option, as apart from anything cuts down on repititious posts.

Of course the ultimate FWR response is to raise the hot topic of cakes.

This is when you really do know that a thread has ceased to be postive contribution to feminism and women's rights.

My favourite cake in in fact bread pudding, none of these fancy tv shows over iced nonsense or the disgrace that is a muffin.

I've just bought a gluten free doughnut, first one for years, coated my teeth in sugar.

I think there’s an element of ‘not in the spirit’ involved in pedantry- where an implication has been made and posters respond to that implication, and are then picked up as misrepresenting what was said.

Equally, when a poster takes very literally something intended as hyperbole or perhaps illustrative.

It becomes incredibly frustrating.

DH has ASD and has deeply hurt me in the past by implying that I lied or exaggerated about something not at all crucial or needing precision. We have a household saying now to humorously challenge someone who is being needlessly pedantic, or occasionally too hyperbolic. DH’s preferred conversation style is to a, avoid conversation if possible or b, stick firmly to facts delivered as dryly as possible. ‘Quite good’ and ‘not bad’ are high praise. No event has yet been ‘great’. That apparently would require memorable, recorded excitement from critics.

Slight derail, but some conversations hold echoes of DH on his most annoying days 🤣

Bread pudding is revolting and not a cake, but I respect your right to your misguided opinions, @IwantToRetire 😉

Bread pudding is revolting and not a cake

On no, faux cake post exposed!

Obviously I can't go back and check but, from what I can remember, I think the post concerned wasn't just about you personally disengaging but it was also suggesting other posters did the same? If that's correct then that might have been the point where it was judged to have crossed into troll hunting.

Just a thought, and it could be wrong but, if correct, it's something we can all remember.

I wish for MOAR Labour Infighting, preferably until they agree that the dumbrades who still believe that women as a sex class don't exist, are fringe nut nuts. Welcome in the broad church of the movement, but nowhere near the levers of power. If that requires a leadership election or a spine transplant, fair enough.

Jean Hatchet has a searing article in the Critic

https://thecritic.co.uk/a-labour-of-unrequited-love/

Of course, it's not only male colleagues who have been hostile. There's a group of female MPs, some of whom have behaved appallingly.
Some have 'whispered' loudly about 'f terfs' as I walk past. Then, as our official policy appears to change, I'll see them on television saying: 'It's terribly concerning that women haven't been able to talk about this issue.' Their hypocrisy is monumental.

Charming. 🙄You can just picture it. What a state the Labour Party is in.

She expresses the rage of so many once labour voting women very well. Long overdue for the Labour brothers to stop being a terminal disappointment, acknowledge Cass showcasing the dreadful things that have happened to children and young people from transactivism and start putting things right.

But I imagine that JH will still vote for these idiots, right?

Well said. Where was Keir during the post-Cass publication question time in parliament recently? Counting up all the women in the world who have a penis and trying to get his maths to make sense?