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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another GC employment tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #3

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nauticant · 22/01/2024 14:57

Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gener Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/01/2024 19:34

I thought it was issued on the date the tribunal started, but may be wrong.

It was issued after the first couple of days of the tribunal.

MsGoodenough · 23/01/2024 19:37

There's lots of evidence RCS believe TWAW, therefore them saying they provide women only services means they include men in those services.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/01/2024 19:48

Winnading · 23/01/2024 18:07

I like your thinking, although a tad early for me, but this is the first I've heard of a flourless cake and chocolate you say? Hmmm not to derail (harrumph as if I would) I'm off for a Google.

Complete derail ahead.

Ingredients - cake
100g caster sugar
100g ground almonds
100g dark chocolate, grated
6 eggs, separated

Ingredients - covering
100g dark chocolate
1/2 pint double cream

Method
Grease and line a springform cake tin (I only have 1 so never remember the size - might be a 9 inch) and preheat oven to gas 3.

Whisk egg yolks until pale and fluffy, then fold in grated chocolate.

In a separate bowl, whisk egg whites to stiff peaks, and beat in sugar.

Stir 2 spoons of the egg white mix into the yolk mix, then gently fold all the yolk mix into the whites.

Pour into tin and bake for approx 50 mins, until skewer comes out clean.

Leave to cool in tin (it will sink, that's normal and will be hidden by the covering).

Once cake is cool, remove from tin. Melt the chocolate, whip the cream, add the melted chocolate to the cream, and spread it over the cake.

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2024 19:49

Takes screenshot of derail!

Tallisker · 23/01/2024 19:51

Where do the ground almonds go?

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2024 19:53

Tallisker · 23/01/2024 19:51

Where do the ground almonds go?

Good spot!

Awaits revised post for new screenshot.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/01/2024 19:55

RedToothBrush · 23/01/2024 18:03

Loads of people share IP addresses. If you are relying on IP addresses to establish unique identities then you haven't got past the book 'Learn The Internet 2001'

Given how recently we got an edit button, I'm not entirely convinced we're not running on 'Learn The Internet 2001'.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/01/2024 19:55

Complete derail ahead.

That sounds amaaaazing. Have pasted it into my recipe folder.

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 23/01/2024 19:56

always here for a baking derail

Thank you all, I'm playing catch up & finally caught up!

RCS are TWAW their "women only spaces" are exactly the same fudge as Labour saying "safe spaces" rather than single sex spaces. They're doing PR not safeguarding.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/01/2024 19:58

Rats - too late to edit.

Ingredients - cake
100g caster sugar
100g ground almonds
100g dark chocolate, grated
6 eggs, separated

Ingredients - covering
100g dark chocolate
1/2 pint double cream

Method
Grease and line a springform cake tin (I only have 1 so never remember the size - might be a 9 inch) and preheat oven to gas 3.

Whisk egg yolks until pale and fluffy, then fold in grated chocolate and almonds.

In a separate bowl, whisk egg whites to stiff peaks, and beat in sugar.

Stir 2 spoons of the egg white mix into the yolk mix, then gently fold all the yolk mix into the whites.

Pour into tin and bake for approx 50 mins, until skewer comes out clean.

Leave to cool in tin (it will sink, that's normal and will be hidden by the covering).

Once cake is cool, remove from tin. Melt the chocolate, whip the cream, add the melted chocolate to the cream, and spread it over the cake.

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2024 20:00

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/01/2024 19:55

Given how recently we got an edit button, I'm not entirely convinced we're not running on 'Learn The Internet 2001'.

I know I've still to read learn the internet 2001 it's on my to do list (And I've still got a drawer full of 3 1/2 inch floppy discs (and a couple of 5 inch ones).)

IcakethereforeIam · 23/01/2024 20:27

If there isn't a derail about cake and/or cheese, is it really MN FWRs?

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2024 20:29

IcakethereforeIam · 23/01/2024 20:27

If there isn't a derail about cake and/or cheese, is it really MN FWRs?

No Way Penguin GIF by Pudgy Penguins

Nope

IcakethereforeIam · 23/01/2024 20:36

And Tunnocks of course.

RethinkingLife · 23/01/2024 20:44
disappointed fifth element GIF

We are threads deep for this ET and I've not seen proposals for animations, drama, musicals, TV adaptations, far less their cast lists.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/01/2024 20:46

Who would play Naomi?

IcakethereforeIam · 23/01/2024 21:10
katherine hepburn GIF

I picture it as a farce, like Bringing Up Baby. All the women speak like Katherine Hepburn and all the blokes like James Stewart or Cary Grant. The NBs just seethe because they could dream of being so cool.

It's in b&w.

Has Katherine Hepburn been transed yet?

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2024 21:12

I want the other sides version of Naomi played by the Scottish guy who does the you tube spoofs of Wee Nicola.

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2024 21:13

Just bringing the link down to the next thread to the bottomish of the page

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2024 21:15

And The

WANT TO WATCH INSTRUCTIONS

@lechiffre55 Told me how to get better video so updated joining instructions

Email: [email protected]

Ask for

Public access request RAdam v ERCC 4102236/2023

Mention you want video access, otherwise they'll email you to ask if you want video or attending in person access.

They'll send you an email with a link and a code and with 2 pdfs, one for watching on computer, one for tablets and phones.

Plus, want better video:

As you go through the process of logging into the meeting there's a settings button. Inside the settings there a bandwidth option near the bottom. By default it's set to medium. Setting this to high will give better video quality for those who have complained the video is too poor. It will use up more mobile data the higher it is set. I advise against setting it to ultra, high on home internet or wifi is great.

RethinkingLife · 23/01/2024 21:15

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2024 21:12

I want the other sides version of Naomi played by the Scottish guy who does the you tube spoofs of Wee Nicola.

Should it not be David Tennant?

NC - Amelia Bullimore?

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2024 21:15
Bye Bye Peace GIF by Cappa Video Productions

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