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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2

995 replies

nauticant · 19/01/2024 12:59

Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERCC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There was live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
R or ERCC: the Respondent, Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024
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Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis

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Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 14:22

ickky · 22/01/2024 14:21

@Boiledbeetle Don't

Season 9 Phoebe GIF by Friends

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RocketPanda · 22/01/2024 14:22

@Boiledbeetle everytime I see or hear that word I develop an almighty rage.

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 14:23

MW played no part is stated in an email

WallaceinAnderland · 22/01/2024 14:23

So NC is establishing that ERCC is offering no defence?

Mmmnotsure · 22/01/2024 14:23

NC reads doc about witnesses and RA's legal teams comments re this:

You now say Nico has left ERCC employment and not giving evidence. Why not? We will ask tribunal to draw inferences if Nico not put forward. Also ought to call MW as role as CEO in role exempt and for a woman. That is why we say MW ought to have been called to give evidence.

NC: no suggestion that it's just respondent's choice not to call MW or Nico

Mmmnotsure · 22/01/2024 14:24

NC: why wasn't nico available

KT cos left ercc

NC any other reason?

KT no

NC: MW - you don't suggest any reason why MW couldn't have been called if respondent wanted to

KT no reason

Appalonia · 22/01/2024 14:24

Bit confused by this line of questioning.

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 14:25

Onto sex realist, gender critical belief

IamSarah · 22/01/2024 14:25

Can senior leadership simply be 'unavailable' to give evidence at employment tribunals?!

V interested in what Naomi asks her about GC beliefs.

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 14:25

Human beings are mammals

Appalonia · 22/01/2024 14:25

Aware that some pp believe human beings are mammals!

HellonHeels · 22/01/2024 14:25

ickky · 22/01/2024 14:21

@Boiledbeetle Don't

😂

Poinsettiasarevile · 22/01/2024 14:26

She is making the case that ERCC have deliberately chosen not to call witnesses that would make their case harder. The claimant asi understand it cannot call witnesses.

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 14:26

NC still setting out gender critical beliefs

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 14:27

witness agrees she does not share gender critical beliefs

Appalonia · 22/01/2024 14:27

She doesn't share GC beliefs, no surprise there.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2024 14:27

"I don't share a belief that biological sex is important"

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2024 14:28

That's not a direct quote, just paraphrasing the absurdity of what she said.

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 14:28

NC quoting MW in a podcast

Appalonia · 22/01/2024 14:28

Referring to Guilty Feminist podcast

HellonHeels · 22/01/2024 14:28

Appalonia · 22/01/2024 14:25

Aware that some pp believe human beings are mammals!

What in the fuck?! Seriously?!!!

nauticant · 22/01/2024 14:28

To be fair, MW has made clear that people who hold those beliefs should be fired.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2024 14:28

Yes that's a fair point @nauticant

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 14:29

HellonHeels · 22/01/2024 14:28

What in the fuck?! Seriously?!!!

It was NC asking the witness if she was aware of that fact

LipbalmOrKnickers · 22/01/2024 14:29

Is she hoping a comet strikes before she has to answer?