Another GC employment tribunal. Adam's vs Edinburgh Rape Crsis

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Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

Thanks for the clarifications on Scottish tribunal procedure.

DH: letter 6 Feb. Does letter capture decision panel had reached.

MR: Yes. We were in agreement.

DH: first and third allegations upheld, second wasn't. Why not?

MR: [that v careful speaking voice again] We felt that RA's evidence in meeting was compelling around how things would work in practice and we as board members couldn't know about that so we took on board RA's reasoning.

DH: Why did you apologise in outcome letter?

MR: It felt a long time to be in place of being investigated and in limbo. Lots of delays - weren't anybody's fault.

DH talking c MR attending grievance appeal meeting.

EA panel member corrects him - you mean disciplinary appeal mtg?

DH - yes, sorry. [Not the first time he seems not to have a completely secure handle on what is what]

Break time. Back at 11.40

Short break, back at 11.50.

Actually 11.50 now

DH finished all his qs. X exam starts after break - 20 mins.

MR: It felt a long time to be in place of being investigated and in limbo. Lots of delays - weren't anybody's fault.

With respect, it seems several of those delays were eminently avoidable. E.g., hiring a transcription service would have been a negligible cost. Look at the costs they're incurring now.

They hired in legal advice but didn't even think to get in a transcription service?

The crux of it is that the advice suggested gross misconduct, and then when Roz questioned it, the advice suggested downgrading it to misconduct, and if asked why, suggested to say 'admin error'.

I'd love to know who these people giving 'advice' are. It was the same in the Forstater tribunal.

Link here, from above, all 14 pages. I'll be back to test you all on it at 5pm.😉

Sorry - I'm not sure how to shorten the link. https://forwomen.scot/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Mridul-Wadhwa-Building-Intersectional-Inclusion-in-Rape-Crisis-Services-14Sep2021.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1nWY9_l4DrpSo5spLHokK5_NBBDF8yJMigurcrvVbBTTgjXkmTkwS2kfU

I'd love to know who these people giving 'advice' are. It was the same in the Forstater tribunal.

Do we suspect SW as opposed to legal bods who are genuinely qualified in employment law?

Oh that's interesting. I was wondering why RA was so extensively questioned by NC. Makes for a much longer hearing though.

Poor RA - I'm finding listening to this stressful (much more stressful than being misgendered, which has happened with non-English speakers before), I can only imagine how she's felt throughout this whole process.

I really hope the fact that they tried to gaslight Roz over the gross misconduct being just a admin error rather than them actually deciding that gross misconduct was correct then having to change it on further advice really shows the tribunal panel exactly what sort of shits they are!

Yes, surely today's witness admitted to an outright lie about the 'admin error'? And seemed to think that 'being advised' to lie made it ok?

It's the 'just following orders' response, seemingly ignoring the position of power she was in. Ah how people in power like to try and avoid responsibility.

And seemed to think that 'being advised' to lie made it ok?

Well, that is the whole thing about the whole case - lying being compulsory if it's policy... And not even asking if it's okay not to lie permitted...

Those watching do seem to be a more disciplined bunch than those in other proceedings I've watched.

NC going down the didn't follow own disciplinary procedures route.

NC demonstrating here that for all the talk about ERCC policies, when it came down to enacting policy they'd just do what suited them.

Aghh, I'm stuck back In WFTCHTJ

NC: Worknest were giving advice. They are not all lawyers. Were you taking advice from HR person or lawyer.

MR: I believe a solicitor.

NC: Why wasn't transcript sent out to be professionally transcribed.

MR [little laughs again] a really good q. Didn't think of that. We were focused on confidentiality.

Didn't think of transcription...then sudden leap at concept of confidentiality.

Is it just me, or is anyone else getting the link frozen every now and then?

NC: Why didn't you just tell RA it's not gross misconduct and don't worry, that won't end your employment?

MR: I was following the advice I had been given.