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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Brighton NHS trust recommends drug-induced male breastfeeding in their maternity protocols

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zibzibara · 20/05/2023 08:58

https://www.bsuh.nhs.uk/maternity/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2021/01/MP005-Perinatal-Care-for-Trans-and-Non-Binary-People.pdf

This is part of their maternity protocols for perinatal care. In the Infant feeding section:

"5.5.7 Non-gestational parents may wish to participate in feeding their
infants using their own bodies. Cis women who have previously breastfed may have the most success in relactating. Trans women and cis women who have not been pregnant may also be able to induce lactation to some extent. Methods for inducing lactation include using galactagoues and physical stimulation. Alternatively, some families choose to use supplemental nursing systems with expressed milk or formula."

They cite this website in the reference list: http://www.milkjunkies.net/2013/05/trans-women-and-breastfeeding-personal.html

Notably they do not cite any source which has tested the composition of any such male secretions for safety and nutritional value.

https://www.bsuh.nhs.uk/maternity/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2021/01/MP005-Perinatal-Care-for-Trans-and-Non-Binary-People.pdf

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FannyCann · 26/05/2023 09:10

Forwarder · 21/05/2023 22:02

Read the comments on this. Seems like a few men envy women's abilty to breast feed
https://www.thedadsnet.com/breastfeeding-dads-new-hormone-kit-makes-men-lactate/

Are all those comments serious? I thought some were joking but I can't tell anymore.
Terrifying stupidity and ignorance.

I don't really fear for the human race - the world will be a better place when all the idiots have died out. Unfortunately that probably means taking the rest of us out too.

FannyCann · 26/05/2023 09:23

Helleofabore · 20/05/2023 09:24

The article has been deleted by Daily Mail. But please plug the link into archive (dot) is or ph and it should work.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10859287/Transgender-paramedic-breastfed-newborn-baby-know-like-mum.html

This is a medically trained male paramedic who did this by the way.

There have been numerous threads about this in the past and never once have we been offerred any benefit for the infant in all this. Not once.

This is the article that has caused two Australian women to receive letters stating they have broken the law.

https://reduxx.info/two-australian-women-told-they-broke-the-law-after-criticizing-trans-identified-male-breastfeeding-child/

Quite a few issues in that orginal article about Buckley.

Here is a few statements:

''To know I could breastfeed my own child and have that experience, I wanted to be a part of that. I wanted to know what it was like to be a mum and breastfeed."

and

'I will never know what's it like to menstruate or carry a baby or give birth,' Ms Buckley said.

'But to be told I could have the opportunity to breastfeed, it was something that was nice to be able to experience as a trans woman.'

and

'The first time it came out I just started leaking,' Ms Buckley said. 'Then I pumped and it was a weird feeling having a suction cap suck out milk, but it was exciting.

'I thought, "Oh my God, I am actually producing human milk".'

and

'Apart from the milk he was getting from me he was essentially starving,' Ms Buckley said of the couple's hungry son

'I genuinely believe had I not brought my breast milk into the hospital he could have become very sick with liver and kidney issues from lack of nutrition.'

and

'It was sad. It was frustrating, but as brief as it was, I did get to experience it. I would have preferred to do it a lot longer. But Auden's wellbeing was paramount.'

I am really looking forward to posters telling us just what about this interview is not pointing out that this all about the male. What part of these statements above are about the child.

Even when HCP's pointed out that the baby was starving, it was all about that adult male.

Why was the hospital letting an infant ‘starve’? Or did this couple refuse formula and manufacture the need for this male to then ‘rescue’ the newborn by feeding their son? It should be noted the medical team for the baby thought this was not an advisable option. This male did it anyway!

And those posters who support this male feeding secretions to that infant can also then point out just how that male feeding the newborn whatever the substance was they were producing was, how are they providing the newborn nutrition if the composition is unknown?

I doubt we will get any answers though.

That this endrocrinologist has spoken at AusPATH about this, and has 'assisted' FIVE other males to do this, I suspect each state in Australia will have some males to have done this already and quite a few more will be aiming for it.

The usual 'only one / two/ a few' rhetoric would be misinformed.

see below:

Dr Naomi Achong, a former president of Australian Professional Association for Trans Health (AusPATH), is the Brisbane endocrinologist who recommended Ms Buckley breastfeed Auden.

It is understood she has helped five other transgender women breastfeed.

Dr Achong spoke on the topic of 'lactation induction in transfemales' at a AusPATH conference last weekend and her talk was one of the most booked events.

Regarding the man who claimed he was sharing breastfeeding with his partner I think it's straight up lying and fantasy.
The first six weeks are crucial to establishing lactation and breastfeeding. If the mother isn't able to feed her baby half the time because a man has taken it away to try to force it to latch to his own hairy nipple then she will have problems like mastitis, engorgement or she may have a reduced milk supply.

This isn't just abuse of the baby. These are, imo, going to be abusive, coercive relationships. A loving father should be supporting his newly delivered wife, doing the things needed so she can rest, drink plenty, concentrate on bonding and feeding her baby. Taking the baby away is actively cruel to the mother, interfering with the mother/infant dyad. Anyone here who has breastfed will know how your breasts start filling up and leaking at the sound of your baby crying, or indeed, often at the sound of any baby crying. I could hardly bear to be parted from my baby in those early days. If I saw/heard her screaming as she wanted feeding whilst not being allowed to feed her whilst a man with an inadequate supply (never mind of what) tried to force her to feed it would cause physical pain and mental anguish. Yes, all babies instinctively root and may briefly root/attempt to suckle their father's nipple whilst being held against a bare chest, but they soon get angry when they don't get the satisfying flow of milk.
The babies will know the difference between their mother's breast and milk and the man boob and I highly doubt they would happily switch between the two.

Dumbo12 · 26/05/2023 10:36

If TWAW, then they should be able to spontaneously lactate, after they have given birth, but they can't do either, because they are men. It really is that simple, isn't it, or have I got that wrong?

Violaofviterbo · 26/05/2023 10:54

This has given me the rage.

I also harshly judge the mothers who allow the sick delusional males in their lives to abuse their babies like this.

ScrollingLeaves · 26/05/2023 14:51

This from the article linked earlier shows up the senselessness of the thinking that makes not ‘misgendering’ more important than taking the real, physical truth into account:

And this brings us to another glaring omission in this report. While the authors consistently refer to the trans-identified male patient as “she”, they don’t state the sex of the infant involved in this experiment, revealing a worrying disinterest in the infant itself.

This is important, the article points out, because of the likely additional side effects of testosterone on a female infant. (Imo, testosterone is not supposed to be in any infant’s diet anyway, whether they are male or female).

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