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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
MenopausalMe · 07/04/2023 00:09

You need to understand that you are being played.

this with fucking bells on

Cherryblossoms85 · 07/04/2023 00:14

I enjoy Debbie's writing in the Spectator. Didn't know about the school guidance, but in general she seems in possession of her faculties and yes, pretty much alone in clearly explaining what AGP is, and why it matters so much to the debate.

ExiledElsie · 07/04/2023 00:51

For anyone calling men "she", please read pronouns are rohypnol.

Link below:
fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

OneMorePlant · 07/04/2023 01:02

AlisonDonut · 06/04/2023 08:28

He got paid to remove the rights of girls in school to their single sex spaces and now, gets paid to say how shocking it is and that women and girls needs single sex spaces.

Fuck me, is there some sort of collective forgetting of what Debbie Hayton did?

He started much of this.

Yep. He helped to create this mess.

BiologicalKitty · 07/04/2023 05:45

MenopausalMe · 07/04/2023 00:09

You need to understand that you are being played.

this with fucking bells on

Not just played, but pulled into a sexual fetish. Acting like the AGP "voice of reason" is part of the fetish! Pushing boundaries and telling you while doing so isn't something to be admired!

@Cherryblossoms85 women on this thread and others have said and explained everything DH has ever said, without forced teaming and other abuser tactics that DH deploys. Without forcing children to deny reality. Without rewriting policies that undermine safeguarding. Without abusing family members. DH doesn't deserve the fawning that DH receives, especially here.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 07/04/2023 06:19

Do you remember, @EmpressaurusOfCats, him also saying something like he always gets his own way. Or he likes manipulating in order to get his own way?

I’ve just been digging around & found that @Clymene wrote a transcript of an interview with the Haytons. He doesn’t mention the AGP at all in that, I imagine it would have gone very differently if he did.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4053058-Debbie-and-Stephanie-Hayton-interview-transcript?postsby=Clymene

EmpressaurusOfCats · 07/04/2023 06:32

‘I am a little bit contrary and when people tell me, when people start objecting I then think well, okay, let's you know, let's push a bit harder and see what happens.’ Is that what you were thinking of, @Datun?

Cheekymaw · 07/04/2023 06:34

@MenopausalMe

You need to understand that you are being played.

this with fucking bells on

This x100
I cannot look at DH without thinking of the trans widow's sad face in that documentary.

Clymene · 07/04/2023 06:44

Thank you for digging up that thread @EmpressaurusOfCats (though my pathetic attempts at getting a doc online are embarrassing!). He is very clear that the key part of his transition was getting his pupils to address him as Miss. His utter disdain for his wife also will never not be shocking to me.

He did talk in another interview (with Stella O'Malley I think) about the AGP stuff and the rush of wearing women's clothing outside for the first time. Didn't he call it something like pink euphoria or something? I don't remember exactly.

Datun · 07/04/2023 07:13

EmpressaurusOfCats · 07/04/2023 06:32

‘I am a little bit contrary and when people tell me, when people start objecting I then think well, okay, let's you know, let's push a bit harder and see what happens.’ Is that what you were thinking of, @Datun?

Possibly, although in my head it was a bit more specific about getting his own way. Could be me filling in the gaps! Thank you though.

He says boundary violation gives him a kick.

A self confessed sexual fetishist, who refuses to rescind his 'call me Miss' schools guidance, displaying a fucked up view of women's breasts, still manages to get women to not only look favourably on him, but imagine that he is championing them! By, incidentally, more or less quoting their own words back to them.

BiologicalKitty · 07/04/2023 07:38

Datun · 07/04/2023 07:13

Possibly, although in my head it was a bit more specific about getting his own way. Could be me filling in the gaps! Thank you though.

He says boundary violation gives him a kick.

A self confessed sexual fetishist, who refuses to rescind his 'call me Miss' schools guidance, displaying a fucked up view of women's breasts, still manages to get women to not only look favourably on him, but imagine that he is championing them! By, incidentally, more or less quoting their own words back to them.

Astonishing isn't it.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 07/04/2023 07:44

He’s said that the kids call him ‘Dr Hayton’ but do any kids really never use Sir or Miss?

Clymene · 07/04/2023 07:52

EmpressaurusOfCats · 07/04/2023 07:44

He’s said that the kids call him ‘Dr Hayton’ but do any kids really never use Sir or Miss?

Of course they do! My DS's chemistry teacher is Dr Carter. He calls her Miss most of the time.

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