Interview with Dr Mrs Debbie Hayton

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Anyone seen this interview yet. Frida seems nice
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I thought that Debbie Hayton was clear that you can't change sex and that TW are men??

Has Debbie changed their mind recently on this?

Debbie has been asked directly on here to state this. He has always refused.

I always wonder whether Debbie's pupils are expected to call him Sir or Miss.

If you are to "live as a women "you should live as women live now with all their hang ups and insecurities - it should be in your behaviour not in your choice of clothes and falsies

A man can't live as a woman. "Woman" is no more a behaviour than it is a costume. A woman is a person with a female body who behaves in any way.

Debbie wrote the NASUWT trans guidance which states boys and men should be allowed in women's and girls' spaces. Debbie has been asked repeatedly on this forum and others if he now disagrees with the guidance he wrote. He never responds.

"There were seven women convicted of sex crimes today". Is this a fact-free zone? Surely he's just making this up, without being challenged?

Debbie wrote

We're heading into "making stuff up about people" area here, or at least distortion, I think, unless there's something I've missed.

The impression I've always got about that document was that it was like many other Stonewall/GIDS-templated "trans-inclusive" documents produced around the same era, and Hayton's name appeared on it as having provided input - presumably as one of the few (only?) "trans" people in within NASUWT itself at the time. (Predating the current surge of everyone and their dog being "trans" or "NB").

Is there anything to suggest otherwise? The generous interpretation here could be "Stonewalled organisation published Stonewall advice - Hayton failed to totally block it, and won't publicly disown that specific document". Maybe it would have been even worse without his input?

(I've not studied it - is it notably better or worse than any other org's?)

If I'd been partly responsible for half the country losing their rights, I'd think I'd have the grace not to go onto TV and say how shocking it was that half the country had lost their rights.

This.

Women are 51% of the UK population but apparently not a single one could be found for this interview.

He meant this I think.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11942601/Seven-women-jailed-total-58-years-paedophile-gang-21-guilty-abuse.html

I heard that, it's not true or if there are 7 "women" who were convicted if sex crimes today, we all know which type of "women" they were.

Frida ably demonstrating why women do not want to have to share our single sex spaces with massive, aggressive men.

I think he is referring to the women who were part of a grooming gang. Actually there were eight, but we can’t expect factual accuracy, even in a ‘righteous cause’.

Hayton has written before how pupils now use Miss after the transitioning. Again, that hasn't changed as far as I know

DH is just as much an AGP as anyone else who enjoys larping as a woman. DH has admitted this.

I will never understand why women think DH is special or worth listening to.

Is it because DH dresses like a harmless school marm? Although even that has been changing into more sexualised clothing over time.

My bad, it's got to be a rare day that 7 women are convicted of such crimes. And no wonder we are skeptical when lots of other convictions are for men pretending.

@BiologicalKitty I thought you were talking about your husband for a minute there

Is "Frida" Freda Wallace?
If so, Freda is always unpleasant and aggressive. Freda appears to hate women so much, it's a mystery why Freda ever wanted to become one.

No husbands for me! 😆

The article specifically singles out the 8 women out of the 21 NOT because the Daily Mail is being sexist but because its more newsworthy specifically because it is much rarer for women to be convicted of CS offences (though grimly pretty much all child grooming gangs will contain at least one woman the majority are usually male, and solitary offenders are pretty much always male). So it doesn't prove what Frida thinks it proves

Thank you Freda for that wonderful example of why we want men to stay the fuck out of our spaces.

BiologicalKitty · Today 09:30
DH is just as much an AGP as anyone else who enjoys larping as a woman. DH has admitted this.

I will never understand why women think DH is special or worth listening to.

Is it because DH dresses like a harmless school marm? Although even that has been changing into more sexualised clothing over time.

It is because DH is honest, and also understands biological reality.

Not so much thin end of the wedge, as slim sliver of the cake.

And we know that men love to hog the whole cake, and then moan there isn't more.

I know I do!

Always interesting to observe how those in favour of 'trans rights' treat trans people who go off message. Demonstrates as with the LGB thing, it is not about supporting the diverse group, it's about trying to limit that group to a political movement and punish and exclude the non conformists.

I find too it's a mistake to see it as 'identifying as' or 'joining'. The desire in fact usually when explored is not to join, but to replace.

I think it's been a long journey for DH, but it's good to see the position they are now taking.