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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
MenopausalMe · 06/04/2023 21:03

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 20:34

Debbie is more the woman - not putting herself first at every opportunity

Can any of you imagine how offensive this is for a trans widow to read on a feminist board ?

I was going for a simple green emoji as my reaction and I’m not a trans widow

Offensive is mild, I’m guessing thats not quite what you’d like to say either if we were allowed to speak our minds in public

ScrollingLeaves · 06/04/2023 21:04

OK, I have been listening about what some posters are saying here about D.H. I did not know about their thinking they should be in a women’s prison shower if they ever went to prison.

At least though they admitted the AGP which has actually meant being allowed to mention AGP on this board without being deleted when the mention is related to discussing her views.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 06/04/2023 21:06

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 20:54

And that an unhealthy amount of time is spent thinking about being in the prison showers.

This sort of crass comment is really common amongst AGPs as they can't resist breaking boundaries.

And that the trigger boys had the image of a naked Debbie implanted in their minds and they just nodded because they know Debbie has “had the surgery” and therefore is no longer like a man. So I know that women are, to them, like, well, best not finish that sentence for fear of deletion but all the women know the words anyway

RealityFan · 06/04/2023 21:11

Everytime someone asks who is a woman, just show them these two jokers, and say as far away from them as the furthest extent of the known universe. And then some more.

Datun · 06/04/2023 21:13

Aside from being a self confessed AGP, recycling women's words to make a second career in journalism

That's the other thing. Hayton does not have a single, solitary original thought. Everything penned by him has been said by a woman first.

It's amazing how many times I've seen an article by him, where I've been thinking fuck me, I've just read that by so and so.

There are quite a few educated AGPs who will, very articulately, make a case for why they, and only they, should have access to women spaces.

We see it on here all the time. I can't count the number of times I've listed all the different reasons why any individual male reeeelly needs access, over all the other males.

Personally, being honest about the reason being a fetish, as opposed to lying about it, isn't the most compelling argument as far as I'm concerned. .

nilsmousehammer · 06/04/2023 21:19

That. ^^

And when you read carefully and have read enough of these articles, from these few polite, articulate male people with TQ+ identities, you begin to notice that the desire is for them to have access to women in women's spaces but not other male people. They do not want to have to deal with those male people any more than women do, it's about an exclusive access.

And there is always inevitably, the head pat tone and action that tells you having listened very carefully to women's thoughts, they have reached their managerial decision, which is to inform women what they will permit and grant and accept. And it is no different to any other 'man here' poster on MN who has arrived to dispense wisdom to the mummies in tone or attitude: the male privilege is front and centre, along with the expectation of authority and service.

Oppression involves the oppressed group providing labour. And labour is always part of the requirement. However nice the requirer sounds.

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 21:46

ScrollingLeaves · 06/04/2023 21:04

OK, I have been listening about what some posters are saying here about D.H. I did not know about their thinking they should be in a women’s prison shower if they ever went to prison.

At least though they admitted the AGP which has actually meant being allowed to mention AGP on this board without being deleted when the mention is related to discussing her views.

If a wife beater admitted to wife beating, would you deem them especially worthy of our thanks?

How is admitting a damaging fetish praiseworthy when it's glaringly obvious anyway?

What other fetishes should we praise people for admitting to?

Whenever Hayton talks about his AGP he minimises it and this is his sole reason for admitting to it.

MenopausalMe · 06/04/2023 21:54

namitynamechange · 06/04/2023 08:33

@AlisonDonut It might be that he changed his mind on that. That being the case its probably a good thing and Ive changed my mind on lots. Even if he is a complete hypocrite though its still interesting watching other transwomen trying to argue with them about why he is wrong/less of a woman than they are. Because all they have is "I'm a woman because I use female spaces"; "I'm a woman because other people have been blackmailed to say I am a woman") etc etc.

Hayton has been repeatedly asked to propose they are revised to give women back some rights and never ever responds.

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 21:55

If he has changed his mind he should say so clearly, and apologise.

BiologicalKitty · 06/04/2023 21:57

If a wife beater admitted to wife beating, would you deem them especially worthy of our thanks?

This actually happens in family courts, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see it here with other types of abuse.

nilsmousehammer · 06/04/2023 21:57

MenopausalMe · 06/04/2023 21:54

Hayton has been repeatedly asked to propose they are revised to give women back some rights and never ever responds.

Which in essence matches the protests about the clarifying of the meaning of the word 'sex' in the Equality Act.

Returning control of female boundaries to female people is a very unwanted outcome for some male people for a range of reasons. Almost all of which intersect.

BiologicalKitty · 06/04/2023 21:58

Whenever Hayton talks about his AGP he minimises it and this is his sole reason for admitting to it.

Also, this bears repeating. Over and over.

Tabasco007 · 06/04/2023 22:07

TheSingingBean · 06/04/2023 00:37

What a deeply unpleasant individual Frida is.

His, isn't he!

ExiledElsie · 06/04/2023 22:20

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 21:55

If he has changed his mind he should say so clearly, and apologise.

Grin Good luck trying to get even a response. DH only replies to praise.

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 22:23

Well yes precisely.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 06/04/2023 22:36

Datun · 06/04/2023 18:45

Nah. That's the spin. In order to make a living, so I don't really blame him

Debbie told his wife that if she was unhappy he would leave. She said she was unhappy and he refused to leave.

The toll on his family is generated by him.

I remember that, he admitted to it in some interview or other. With a tinkly laugh and a comment about liking to push boundaries.

ScrollingLeaves · 06/04/2023 22:48

If a wife beater admitted to wife beating, would you deem them especially worthy of our thanks?

No, it is not a question of them being worthy of thanks….

How is admitting a damaging fetish praiseworthy when it's glaringly obvious anyway?

or praise.

AGP may well be obvious to some people, but many others had/have never heard of it and think that transwomen have felt they were not the sex they were born with, that they felt desperate to get out of their bodies from a young age, and that they had then gone to extreme lengths to modify themselves - but not had the slightest inkling that it these men’s desire to be a woman may in fact be a middle aged man’s sexual fetish.

Not only that, but even mentioning that some transwomen are AGP has been taboo, including on this board, where such a post risked deletion until recently. If on the other hand someone uses DH as an example to refer to AGP they may not get deleted. I once got a reluctant admittance by a monitor, when I questioned a deletion, that yes ‘Debbie’ sometimes speaks of it.

So DH has brought some truths about some transwomen into the light, even if as you say their actions towards their own family, and their own motives, may be wrong.

DH has also been clear that being a transwoman is not the same as being a woman, which I believe does make a difference to turning the tide of this cult which swears that it is.

Maybe DH did just use this as a way to get articles published, but the public got the benefit of being allowed to hear that TW are not W from the horse’s mouth when no one else was allowed to say so.

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 23:06

AGP may well be obvious to some people, but many others had/have never heard of it and think that transwomen have felt they were not the sex they were born with, that they felt desperate to get out of their bodies from a young age, and that they had then gone to extreme lengths to modify themselves - but not had the slightest inkling that it these men’s desire to be a woman may in fact be a middle aged man’s sexual fetish.

How does this square with Hayton's claim that his AGP
started in childhood, when he heard the word "tights" and thought it sounded like "eight". (Yes I know it doesn't make sense).

He is trying to push the narrative not of "born in the wrong body" but of "born with a fetish".

And please don't try and explain to a trans widow why I should supposedly be grateful to an AGP for my freedom of speech. I spoke to a feminist conference last weekend about the many ways by which trans widows are silenced, and women putting our exes before us was foremost in the reasons I gave.

It is the brave trans widows on this board who have shed light on AGP. Not men like our perpetrators.

Datun · 06/04/2023 23:12

EmpressaurusOfCats · 06/04/2023 22:36

I remember that, he admitted to it in some interview or other. With a tinkly laugh and a comment about liking to push boundaries.

That's right! I'd forgotten. Do you remember, @EmpressaurusOfCats, him also saying something like he always gets his own way. Or he likes manipulating in order to get his own way?

I mean, I know he does, but have I imagined that he actually said so?

If I had to concede to a skill that Hayton house, it's saying the most outrageous stuff, but making it sound normal.

Datun · 06/04/2023 23:12

*Hayton has

ScrollingLeaves · 06/04/2023 23:19

Tinsel Angel I am not trying to explain to you why you should be grateful. I am explaining why I am, as an ordinary member of the public who only heard of all this fairly recently.

I did not come on your Trans widows thread to tell you my thoughts, but was responding with my own views to that video chat with Frida.

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 23:20

I think this was the thread with the conversation about boob size:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4303993-posie-parker-s-latest-glasgow?flipped=1&page=7

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 23:22

ScrollingLeaves · 06/04/2023 23:19

Tinsel Angel I am not trying to explain to you why you should be grateful. I am explaining why I am, as an ordinary member of the public who only heard of all this fairly recently.

I did not come on your Trans widows thread to tell you my thoughts, but was responding with my own views to that video chat with Frida.

You quoted my words in your previous post.

ScrollingLeaves · 06/04/2023 23:39

^You quoted my words in your previous post.*

Yes. Those words I quoted were questions you asked me,
which I answered.

I did not take them to be rhetorical.

TinselAngel · 06/04/2023 23:51

ScrollingLeaves · 06/04/2023 23:39

^You quoted my words in your previous post.*

Yes. Those words I quoted were questions you asked me,
which I answered.

I did not take them to be rhetorical.

I did not come on your Trans widows thread to tell you my thoughts, but was responding with my own views to that video chat with Frida.

You implied that because you were not posting on the trans widows thread, I shouldn't assume you were referring to me, whilst quoting my post!

What Hayton wants is for women to be grateful that he is bravely speaking about his fetish.

You need to understand that you are being played.

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