Interview with Dr Mrs Debbie Hayton

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Anyone seen this interview yet. Frida seems nice
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Given the Fail’s recent stance in articles, I think they’d have called out any transwomen among the offending 8, assuming they had those facts to hand.

From their mugshots I’d assumed all were natal female, even if some amongst them appear to have more ‘masculine’ features than the others. Police mugshots aren’t known for flattering.

I had a friend from Birmingham who insisted that all women from the Black Country had a "face like a bag of spanners". I used to think he was making it up. Maybe he was just stretching the truth.

S/he is not but I have time for Hayton.

Not afraid to go against the grain and she must get as much abuse from TRAs as the likes of stock and joyce, more so for being perceived as a traitor.

DH is driven by self confessed sexual proclivities just as much as any other AGP. And anyone who welcomes that point of view into feminist spaces is playing right into the game, as well as pushing DH's wife right out.

DH is clear that they are AGP, and has been clear that there has been a great toll on their family. There seems to be less pretence around their transition and no expectation that anyone else should think they are literally a woman.

Only about a year ago even murmuring that TW are not really W caused trouble even on mumsnet.

Someone wrote that a certain percentage of transitioning men (not all by any means) see women as competition for the woman they identify with (and adore) inside themselves. Perhaps as romantic competition, perhaps as sexual competition, perhaps as competition about who is the most beautiful or who 'womans' best (makeup use, heels, dresses).

Those individuals are not going to care about women's rights or feminism. They don't identify with women, only as women, and several express open anger, hatred and jealousy at what they call 'cis' women.

As an aside, I have read several young detransitioning men state that they transitioned because they wanted to be beautiful women.

Not because they wanted to be women, but beautiful women.

When I saw that, I realised that there are some transwomen and male trans activists who are not trans themselves who seem to think in those terms, i.e., what a woman is and how much woman someone is should be defined by how appealing that person is to men.

So you could lose your right to be called a woman if they regard you ugly.

This is so often seen in the attitude towards middle aged women and the awful ageism. They're too old to be fuckable: wtf is the point of them? Particularly if they're not doing anything else useful to men.

The fixed belief of 'terra nullis' - that anything NOT being useful to and serving the interests of biological males is pointless and brownfield ground in need of commandeering and turning into something useful - is part of so much of this ideology. Women's spaces, resources, facilities, lesbians...

Nah. That's the spin. In order to make a living, so I don't really blame him

Debbie told his wife that if she was unhappy he would leave. She said she was unhappy and he refused to leave.

The toll on his family is generated by him.

...so? This doesn't make any of the behaviour honourable or less damaging to women and children on the whole. DH isn't on our side. DH is on DH's side, and when women laud DH's behaviour, DH gets off on it.

Im not sure what was in Freydas mug but it didn’t look pleasant from the expression on his face after he drank from it.

As the first video shows they seem to hate each other a lot of the time too.

Gotta love Freda saying the debate on What Is A Woman? has become ridiculous. Whilst ridiculously criticising women.

But of course the most ridiculous thing is that a debate on women is being debated by two men.

It's like Monty Python mated with Little Britain to produce this, um, unexpected offspring.

I attended a meeting where DH spoke on the trans issue.
Was likeable and got a laugh for a slide that showed ‘transwomen are women ‘ as repeated computer code.
They were accompanied with women from their workplace who enthused about how nice DH is and how DH didn’t push in and they asked DH to join their groups etc, was slightly fangirly and uncomfortable.

An audience member stood and asked DH to choose a different label as woman was taken, got very frosty and DH fan girl group were not happy.
DH used the women’s toilet at this event.

I know DH used to post on here a lot so they may be along shortly.
I find DH perplexing.
Gives lip service to biological reality but still takes what DH wants.
I think we are so used to the Frida’s we fall over ourselves for the DH’s.

Brilliant!

TG, when I first got obsessed by Monty Python as a teen, I always knew part of its appeal was the disconcerting mood and surreal claustrophobia at its heart.

I loved every second, but also knew I never wanted to be trapped in Python World.

That was 1973. Five decades later, my fears came to pass.

The thing which worries me about Freda watching Freda sneer as Freda complains about women is that Freda works with the ambulance service. I hope Freda is on transport and not paramedic ambulances as I am quite sure that Freda’s biases would influence the decisions Freda would make if the casualty was female wearing a terf t shirt.

All of this ⬆️

Debbie is more the woman - not putting herself first at every opportunity

Can any of you imagine how offensive this is for a trans widow to read on a feminist board ?

They are all natal women.

Aside from being a self confessed AGP, recycling women's words to make a second career in journalism, the NASUWT guidelines, the damage done to his wife and children, the at least occasional use of women's spaces, the thinking women judge each other by breast size, the constantly wanging on about prisons until it's fairly obvious you have some kind of sexy fantasy about it.

Aside from all that, I am amazed that people think Hayton is out for women and not for himself. He has been quite open about how he is trying to protect the rights of "transexuals" like him, who have made a "meaningful transition" as he realises that the self ID'ers will push people too far and result in the "transexuals" losing their previously privileged position.

Why in earth do women persist that he, or any AGP can ever be pro women?

If he's actually using the title "Dr Mrs Hayton", that's another low, since that title should belong to his wife, who also has a PhD.

FFS women.

Debbie Hayton told the triggernometry boys that Debbie couldn’t possibly go to a male prison if Debbie was convicted of a crime because the place Debbie passes best in is the shower. The trigger boys just nodded wirh their sympathetic face on. Debbie giggled a tinkly little laugh and now I know that the Hayton household has a high water bill.

Maybe the way "feminists" like Ash Sarkar might have seen Peter Stringfellow (God rest his soul) as an ally by promoting the freedom of Sex Work to women?

His title is Dr. It was Wallace shouting Dr Mrs or Dr Mr at him. Hayton stuck to Dr as that's his title.

Wallace got very annoyed at the failure to pick a side of the binary, an outrage which has caused the genocide of all gender fluids in the North West.

And that an unhealthy amount of time is spent thinking about being in the prison showers.

This sort of crass comment is really common amongst AGPs as they can't resist breaking boundaries.

Was just thinking that.

I wish I was allowed to say how this sentence made me feel without fear of deletion or banishment. How have we reached the point where we are not allowed to speak our mind amongst ourselves anymore? we’re not forcing ourselves into other peoples discussions. The people who complain are not forced to come here and be offended by a woman speaking her mind. They can just ignore us.

Ironically I’m currently watching the handmaids tale where women's rights to speak were stripped away