What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

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She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

Presumably OP knows this, hence the username.

Around and around we go with the same old guilt by association bollocks.

We’ve had at least two TRAs pop up on this thread agreeing with OP, so it all seems a bit like chucking stones around a glasshouse at this point.

@andarounditgoesagain , phone your dad, you're in a cult

seriously

you need an intervention

How the fuck (yes, I am swearing a lot - I'm angry) do people look at themselves in the mirror when they go from claiming that KJK is bad for "courting the religious right" to saying she's bad because she condemned compelled hijab. What the hell do you think Iran's regime is? A secular utopia?

Ah yes, I do remember when that fantastic Owen Guevara Jones offered KJK a double page spread in The Guardian, but she turned it down on account of Owen Jones being too white.

I think your on to something OP!

i've never got what's bad about objecting to little girls being forced to cover their hair

did your cult induction cover explanations @andarounditgoesagain ?

Wow!!! you could have just posted either the WPUK link OR the sin page on the Brighton feminists website.

You have just regurgitated it all.

I did say to you this morning, that you could actually check back on other threads where all these have been addressed. In fact, I have just reposted this one today.

You have posted a tweet from Hans Johansen as some kind of evidence for Pal Steigan. How about you prove that Pal Steigan has denied the holocaust?

In the meantime, here are the other speakers for the conference that Steigan organised. And please note that Johansen got a selfie taken and KJK has been clear she did not know who he was. If you can find proof that Johansen was a speaker, great. Post it. I have spent time looking and found nothing.

So, the conference was organised by Steigan under the name Mot Dag. I encourage anyone to go out and find information about Pal Steigan because it is very interesting to see the lack of consistency about what this man believes. It seems that he is a Marxist who has made errors in judgement in the past, but continues to want to encourage discussion and freedom of speech. But is also now called 'far right'. It seems incongruous but a life long Marxist is now 'far right'.

He ran a conference on gender identity which Kellie Jay attended and spoke at. Here are the other speakers:

Marit Ronstad

She is discussing ROGD. You know, that medical phenomenon that does not happen according to extreme trans activists who are putting teenagers at significant risk through the denial?

Here is her profile on Genspect:

genspect.org/team/

(do you also want to denounce Marit, OP?)

Marit Halvorsen

A law professor discussing the impact of gender laws in Norway. She is one of Norway's leading health law experts and has a history in women's rights studies and campaigning.

(how about this Marit? want to denounce her too?)

Lars Akerhaug

Talking about the laws being passed around gender identity from an investigative journalist point of view. It seems that Lars is from the left.

And some music from Hungry Hearts performing Laika & Vagina Anthem.

The information says:

Hungry Hearts is a lesbian artist collective that has participated in over 50 international film festivals, the Norwegian "Høstutstillingen" (Autumn Exhibition), CODE, European Song Contest, and The Norwegian Opera with short films, concerts and performances. Hungry Hearts' first album Dyke Forever was released in 2016. In 2018, Hungry Hearts was refused to perform Vagina Anthem at Haugar Vestland Kunstmuseum after pressure from transactivists claiming Vagina Anthem could be perceived as offensive by some transgender people. The recording of the telephone call (in Norwegian) from the museum is part of the performance.

Tell us OP, are you going to denounce these speakers too? Or just Kellie Jay?

Do you understand she was speaking at a conference discussing the impacts of gender identity? Have you even bothered to listen to what she said there?

How interesting though is it that KJK's wikipedia page has been updated over the past months and this paragraph has been deleted:

"In February 2019, Keen traveled to Norway and posed for a photo with Hans Jørgen Lysglimt Johansen, a far-right Hungarian politician."

And after that version in October 2022, it was amended because it was this in January 2023:

"In February 2019, Keen traveled to Norway to speak at a red-brown Mot Dag conference alongside Hans Jørgen Lysglimt Johansen, a far-right Norwegian politician and Holocaust denialist, who she took a selfie with. Keen later said she didn't know who Lysglimt was.[2][42][43]"

Which was clearly bollocks because she wasn't 'alongside Hans Jørgen Lysglimt Johansen' for anything except a selfie.

Now it has been deleted. Yet is still being used as a blunt instrument to harm her despite any lack of evidence.

Yet, you are here repeating statements that actually never had any evidence. It came from something like a Pink News article. I am sure I could possibly find the original source.

Your 'evidence' is not robust. This was regurgitation of some very biased reporters very bad faith take.

SHAME THE RADICAL NOTION NEVER INTERVIEWED HER AYE? MAYBE IT WOULD HAVE KEPT UP SOME OF ITS SUBSCRIPTIONS?

@andarounditgoesagain " She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement. "

In what way precisely, is she leeching?
Is she stealing your youtube viewers? Making people buy her merch and not yours, is it that she's press ganging women speakers from your events and making them speak at her events instead?
Where is the leeching? You presume to tell us that we are not entitled to have our own agency as to who we support and in what ways. A bit cheeky of you, don't you think?!

" I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy.
I don't believe you

I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard. "

Oh, so that's something you/your little gang don't do, so in what other ways do you facilitate women who don't usually get a chance to be heard?

What has KJK actually achieved? What are her campaign aims? Can you tell me that?

What have you actually achieved? And by you, i do mean by you personally!

I'm criticising her because I want the fight for single sex spaces to be successful, not the opposite. "

Well go and get with doing something about it then, rather than come here whinging about someone else, that whether you agree with her methods or not, has actually got up and done something.
If you can offer us better, bring it on, only excuse me, if i don't hold my breath waiting.

But you think she needs to scabble around with low life holocaust deniers and racists because she can't get an "in" anywhere else?

What's this got to do with anything I said @andarounditgoesagain ?

She doesn't "scabble around" with holocaust deniers and racists. Of the people you've listed, I don't know anything about them other than Carl Benjamin. He's not a holocaust denier and I don't think he's a racist. One of the people you mentioned was an aide to a top politician.

I don't know about the others and I imagine that KJK doesn't know much about them either. But they are a very few examples of hundreds of interviews and podcasts she's done.

She's not responsible for anyone else's views other than her own.

She's savvy, and she's building an audience. The right wing pundits are the access to her audience. That's where the $$$ and the gravy train is.

Her audience is women like me. I listen to her terftalk show and watch some of her podcasts and streams. I've bought t-shirts and merch from her shop, and I've donated money to her causes. Watch her terftalk show and you'll see who her audience is. It's women. From all walks of life. Mostly mums. Right wing, left wing, and no wing. It's disgusting that you talk about women like me in this way.

And bragged about it afterwards. Last time I checked, they had a page on their website boasting about it. i think that's where our darling handwaver of religious purity culture got it.

This entire thread has all the hallmarks of an AGCL smear campaign including the standard talking points and the terrifying obsession with one woman.

If this is what Real Feminists™ do then it's no wonder KJK chose to distance herself from the word feminist.

More copy pasta from the same old sins list that we were all forced to read around the time of the Brighton SFW event.

In my eyes, every single time someone tries to rubbish what KJK is doing, they are shitting on the women who stood up and made a speech at one of those events.

Are you truly objecting to KJK refusing to support the subjugation of women and girls, OP?

Oh boy....

Helleofabore

Is your real name Monica?

She's the patron saint of patience and perseverance.

What is with the desperate attempts to take down KJK? Why is this happening?

Its funny thay it has the absolute opposite effect.

Remember ladies when attending your next KJK holy pilgrimage let women speak event...stay hydrated.

Don't be eying up Janet's 3 litre flask just because you were to tight to buy some water at the station.

I agree.

KJK gives women a platform to speak. Everything she does is about making it possible for ordinary women to have a voice. She is non-partisan and apolitical. She cares about women's and children's rights and THAT'S IT.

You don't have to like her or support her, OP. You really, genuinely don't. You could ignore her and pretend she doesn't exist and that's completely fine.

But you've come on here and regurgitated the whole of the bullshit 'sin page' of the Real Feminists and don't even have the decency to admit that half of it is completely made up and the other half completely misconstrued.

Meanwhile, you can't show any support for the brave women who speak up at KJK's events.

It's pathetic.

Because it would entail saying that all little girls are worth the same and entitled to the same human rights.

This brand of racist applies cultural relativism to the max, to the extent that they don't think brown girls are capable of suffering to the same level as white girls. They think it's natural for girls of other races to be treated badly, in the way I think it's natural for birds to drink from puddles.

The political left think they own feminism and are really pissed off that when they rejected KJK she didn't quietly accepting her shunning but decided to do her own thing which has turned out to be more effective than their own efforts.

'the political left' is a fucking massive group... I think the motivated posters with their relentless desperate attempts to discredit KJK are even more niche.

Narcissistic jealous political left women who feel they deserve the spotlight more?

I used to be you. I'm not any more.

Do you ever wonder what she spends the money on? Or how much she makes? How much is it costing all of her supporters to send her on a world tour?

Is it money well spent? What are the aims?

Considering she's been know to stay in hotels in the UK that cost £700 a night, how much do you think this world trip is costing you?

Is it over yet? Have we had sell the old insults/accusations?

Can we have some new evidence now?

More effective? At what, exactly?