What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

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She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

I think the reason the OP got such a negative reaction is because it's a recurring event that someone creates a thread trying to insinuate that KJK is a wrong 'un. It's always based on flimsy nothing, smoke and mirrors, snake oil ;
"If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?"
It sounds like the paranoia of the war "loose lips sink ships"
Lets say hypothetically just for the sake of this argument that KJK is up to no good. A complete grifter, in it for nothing but money and attention. OK so then post some proof. But there never is any posted, just an attempt to insinuate through devious methods, guilt by tenuous association seeming to do all the heavy lifting. Every time it happens it reeks of bad faith and desperation.
Lets say, hypothertically again that some far right people with nasty views turn up to a KJK rally. Hypothetical KJK goes over to them and politiely says "says I appreciate you turning up to support, but I don't want your support. Your views on women's reproductive rights make me sick, and I'd like you to leave please" The hypothetical right wingers duly hypothetically fuck off.
Someone would still take a photo of her talking to them, and in pure bad faith post it along with "Look here's KJK in league with the far right! She supports them." The act of her talking to them becomes a gotcha moment for those who are obessed with trying to get a gotcha on her. She's damned whatever she does. Ignore them, gotcha. Tell them to eff off, gotcha. Someone will always find a way to turn anything no matter how innocent into a gotcha.
Take the OP, two unknown people talking. If that is real KJK, she will know exactly who it is from the messages. Or it could be completely made up to try and smear KJK. How are we to know which? Well for me there's a clue, how far people are prepared to go, and how often to try and undermine KJK. They must really be worried that she's having an impact, no point in putting so much wasted effort into trying to shut her down otherwise. She is causing all the right people problems in my opinion and long may she continue.
It's the really chilling "If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?" that was the cherry on the top for me. It's got a really devious snide slide the poisionous blade right in between those shoulderblades venomous whisper quality to it. Most women on MN seem have a serious take no shit attitude, sledgehammer to the face approach and proud of it, you can see them coming a mile off, they want you to see and take notice. Nothing devious or underhand about them. I trust them.

Yes, silently.

A mime in fact.

In a cellar, at midnight.

In a disused bothy in the outer Hebrides.

During a lockdown.

Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.

You take a step toward him.

He takes a step back.

Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.

Why? Because I'm at work and don't have time to go find a load of links from the times that KJK was interviewed by the far right / a white supremacist, or the many times she put stuff out in her videos that's aimed at the American religious right, or the people she's taking money from and what they support etc etc.

If you're in a hurry, you'll have to look it up yourself, it's all out there. If you want me to do it, I'm afraid you'll have to wait.

Although, it's all been shared here before, and instead of going "oh, OK you were right, cosying up to the far right will end up with them turning up at women's events" you'll probably accuse me of a purity spiral, and continue to claim it's a total coincidence that fascists turn up at KJK events but not other events.

There is a difference between a purity spiral and refusing to work with the far right. It's a pretty low bar.

Talking to =/= working with

Being in the presence of =/= working with

Someone attending your open event =/= working with

Might have been an idea to post all the proof in the original post rather than "google it yourself" 11 pages in

If you're in a hurry, you'll have to look it up yourself, it's all out there. If you want me to do it, I'm afraid you'll have to wait.

Ok. We can wait. It's easy peasy. Look I'm doing it now <displays patience>.

I still don’t understand why far right men mightn’t catch feminism from turning up at a women’s meeting rather than women catching nazism from them

is it ‘cos of our weak minds?

Who cares if the far right, or the far left, turn up at events designed to put a stop to fucking up the lives of children.

That kind of political consensus is not a bad thing in any way.

If the "sensible" people in the middle think that means they should disagree, without even considering the actual issue, frankly they are fucking idiots who could be convinced to do anything if the right person said it. The kind of dangerous morons who lead a society right into horror.

Maybe those are the people we should be worried about if that is their approach.

Excellent.

We shall wait right here OP.

If you think people will accuse you of purity spiralling, do you think they might have a point?

And by the way, please provide irrefutable truth, not just someone's interpretation that a) the people who you call fascist were actively encouraged to come and b) that they are actually 'fascists'.

Looking forward to it. Because it must be very convincing.

No, I am not Climbles, FFS

Ah, ok - apologies for any aspersions cast on a professional security company.

A random volunteer is, of course, free to stop volunteering for any reason at all, or no reason at all.

Using an individual’s decision re: who they do or do not want to volunteer for as an excuse to call for a blanket denouncement on Mumsnet is bollocks tho.

Seems awfully reminiscent of that List of Terrible Transgression kept by The Real Feminists of B Right On…

It's a head scratcher, Bernard, I think it's probably along the lines of why the fuck would they, they hate feminists.

But that would undermine the 11 pages claiming that they're all 'aligned'.

I would go so far as to say that there are people, including men, on the right who have become more sympathetic to certain feminist idea as a result of people like KJK. It's not just a possibility, you can see that it's happened.

Why? Because I'm at work and don't have time to go find a load of links from the times that KJK was interviewed by the far right / a white supremacist, or the many times she put stuff out in her videos that's aimed at the American religious right, or the people she's taking money from and what they support etc etc

Yet you had time to start this thread, and participate with lengthy replies. But you came with no evidence. No links ready to share. Necessary tools to defend and bolster your position.

But no, you arrive empty handed. Perhaps your time management skills need working on, along with essential organisational skills, to make sure you're ready before progressing. ..

I bet you won't be back.

What you've also done here, OP, which is problematic, is to make vague references to 'some people close to someone said she's doing this' with no concrete evidence, names or actual verifiable proof.

Very easy to do, but immediately makes anything you say doubtful.

A while back I was on a member's only health talkboard and one of the moderators stated that 'he'd been talking to a doctor and if Labour gets in they will be charging more for our medicine.'

I questioned his posting such a thing as more or less fact without any evidence and was booted from the group.

Fake news, insinuation, vague comments from 'people closer to the source' - it can all fuck off.

You've discredited yourself from the start.

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I did ask, but maybe you've missed it. Are you that same poster, by any chance, who claimed Kellie J was privately educated in Hong Kong, paid for by her grandparents?

I don't need a leader to know that people cannot change sex, but I need information and Posie is one of the people out there making sure that we get that information.

Whereas the OP's suggestion that we should all shut up and rely on lobbying behind closed doors is totally ridiculous. BigPharma has much more lobbying power than a bunch of feminists.

Ooh ooh has anyone guessed with flowers whilst wearing a dinosaur suit yet?

If you're in a hurry, you'll have to look it up yourself, it's all out there. If you want me to do it, I'm afraid you'll have to wait.

We can wait but please please don't provide links with hours of videos without pin pointing the timing of said evidence. Same with pages of text, at least say page 3, paragraph 7. Otherwise we will assume you are talking about feelz and your opinions rather than facts. Some of us are rather busy too.

The gif section cannot tell ‘courting’ from ‘counting’, sadly.

No, first I've heard that one.

There are quite a few of us who have concerns about KJK. It's fair to say that many of us don't post here often, any more, though.

It's just too depressing to see all the excuses for KJK's merry dance into the far right, and mind boggling that people don't seem to understand that getting into bed with the far right is both inherently a bad idea, plus a terrible campaign strategy.

I feel politically homeless from both party politics and from Mumsnet. It's a depressing place to be. I wish KJK was the fearless warrior for women 's rights she claims to be, but she isn't, and you lot just don't want to know. it's a mess.

I noticed that i had to enter some odd phrases to get something appropriate!

Although at least actual counting actually brings up the count of counting!

This is a all a bit like this tweet...

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of course women wanting women to be able to speak or , shock horror, to have rights are aligned with Nazi's.

It's just too depressing to see all the excuses for KJK's merry dance into the far right

Is this ballet or tap?