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Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

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ZombieMumEB · 11/02/2023 06:41

I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending.

Anyone else?

Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour
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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/03/2023 07:15

Nice little snapshot of Melbourne rally

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/03/2023 07:19

Daily Mail Australia acknowledging that men in black hijacked event of women's rights campaigner KJK
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11879737/Neo-Nazis-throw-Hitler-salutes-trans-protest-outside-Parliament-House-Melbourne-Victoria.html

Datun · 20/03/2023 07:20

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/03/2023 03:07

A woman wearing an Adult Human Female shirt was attacked in Melbourne by a trans-identified man last year, leaving her disabled.

Disabled? Bloody hell.

The attack appeared to be motivated by political prejudice and misogyny but doesn’t register as a hate crime in any Victorian law that protects only identity and not sex.

The incident was only recently reported in an international feminist publication. Australian media are not fit for purpose.

Jesus.

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 07:20

Moira might need to be emailed some of the written rebuttals of that Radical Notion supplement. If that is being used as evidence by Victorian Liberal Party leadership to expel her, it might help her to formulate additional material to refute it.

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 07:21

Datun · 20/03/2023 07:20

A woman wearing an Adult Human Female shirt was attacked in Melbourne by a trans-identified man last year, leaving her disabled.

Disabled? Bloody hell.

The attack appeared to be motivated by political prejudice and misogyny but doesn’t register as a hate crime in any Victorian law that protects only identity and not sex.

The incident was only recently reported in an international feminist publication. Australian media are not fit for purpose.

Jesus.

reduxx.info/exclusive-australian-woman-left-disabled-following-attack-by-trans-activist/

For those who missed it.

Datun · 20/03/2023 07:32

Thanks Helle.

Despite having provided Melbourne Police with two witness statements as well as the identity of her attacker, Ruby explains that it took months for Cadzow to finally be charged in a process that initially left her feeling abandoned.

“I can’t speak for police resources or procedures, but it was very concerning to me that it took so long to charge him. They seemed to be handling the assailant very delicately,” she says. “I wanted there to be some immediate disincentive for him to do this again – to me or anyone else – and the police didn’t seem to take that concern seriously at all.” Ruby says she observed a definite “tone shift” when police learned her assailant was transgender.

“I will never swim again, [or] shoot hoops with my son, get things from high shelves, or hang washing. The doctor said: ‘your ability to lift that arm above your head ended when you hit the ground.'”

It’s getting very scary to be a woman speaking up about women’s rights

No shit.

Datun · 20/03/2023 07:35

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/03/2023 07:19

Daily Mail Australia acknowledging that men in black hijacked event of women's rights campaigner KJK
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11879737/Neo-Nazis-throw-Hitler-salutes-trans-protest-outside-Parliament-House-Melbourne-Victoria.html

They're all over the shop with that article. Still, at least they're making it clear the Nazis aren't part of SFW. And they've got an eye watering shot of that Seafolly model.

Onnabugeisha · 20/03/2023 07:45

Datun · 20/03/2023 07:35

They're all over the shop with that article. Still, at least they're making it clear the Nazis aren't part of SFW. And they've got an eye watering shot of that Seafolly model.

They’re also making it clear that SFW and NSN were on the same side. You do know that at least 6 different groups were at the protest?

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 07:47

Apparently Peta Credlin is interviewing Pessuto now in Australia. He has said he has had his team ‘researching‘ KJK all weekend. He seems to have only been presented with the wiki entry supported by the Radical Notion style statements.

I think we really need to gather the links of the rebuttals and send them to Moira. And probably to Peta Credlin. One this issue, Peta has been solid whatever you think of her otherwise.

FOJN · 20/03/2023 07:49

Onnabugeisha · 20/03/2023 07:45

They’re also making it clear that SFW and NSN were on the same side. You do know that at least 6 different groups were at the protest?

I thought your "lot" usually sneered at the DM and now here you are treating it as a credible news source. How convenient.

Are you an entirely principle and integrity free zone?

Any comment on Julie Bindels tweet?

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 07:50

Onnabugeisha · 20/03/2023 07:45

They’re also making it clear that SFW and NSN were on the same side. You do know that at least 6 different groups were at the protest?

So, do you agree that paedophiles should prevented from harming children through any legal means?

Does this make you aligned with those men in black?

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 07:51

Onnabugeisha · 20/03/2023 07:45

They’re also making it clear that SFW and NSN were on the same side. You do know that at least 6 different groups were at the protest?

So does that also mean that the TRAs who allegedly fight against paedophiles are also aligned with the men in black?

Onnabugeisha · 20/03/2023 07:53

FOJN · 20/03/2023 07:49

I thought your "lot" usually sneered at the DM and now here you are treating it as a credible news source. How convenient.

Are you an entirely principle and integrity free zone?

Any comment on Julie Bindels tweet?

Don’t your “lot” sneer at DM? After all you personally are now sneering at Wikipedia when you use it a lot in threads too to prove points. No comment on the tweet as I haven’t seen it.

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 07:59

Onnabugeisha · 20/03/2023 07:53

Don’t your “lot” sneer at DM? After all you personally are now sneering at Wikipedia when you use it a lot in threads too to prove points. No comment on the tweet as I haven’t seen it.

Here you go

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1637511234902687744?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

“To the misogynistic trans rights activists seeking to discredit ANY feminist that exposes gender ideology as the batshit, harmful bollox it is by suggesting that the Nazis love us. FFS. The Nazis rocked up at the StandingforXX event in order to have a stand-off with Antifa”

”and get their faces in the press. Nazis hate any woman standing up for our rights, whether feminists or antifeminists. Dickheads such as Bragg, Jones and the like could be accused of being in the KKK seeing as they supported Corbyn, so give it a rest. Scrape some other barrel.”

Datun · 20/03/2023 08:02

Onnabugeisha · 20/03/2023 07:45

They’re also making it clear that SFW and NSN were on the same side. You do know that at least 6 different groups were at the protest?

Neo-Nazis hijacked a 'Let Women Speak' rally, organised by English women's rights campaigner Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, in front of Victoria's State Parliament on Saturday.

It doesn't link KJK to anyone.

FOJN · 20/03/2023 08:02

Don’t your “lot” sneer at DM? After all you personally are now sneering at Wikipedia when you use it a lot in threads too to prove points. No comment on the tweet as I haven’t seen it.

Even the founder of wiki says it's not to be trusted. I don't trust everything the Indie print either. I find it far better to read a range of views and make up my own mind.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html

You could look at JB's twitter feed yourself but in the interests of being helpful here's a link.

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1637511234902687744

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/03/2023 08:07

Anyway, it's Hobart next for KJK - 1am UK time tonight (well, tomorrow), so I'm back to bed for a few hours Smile

Onnabugeisha · 20/03/2023 08:08

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 07:51

So does that also mean that the TRAs who allegedly fight against paedophiles are also aligned with the men in black?

No, because there is a critical difference between the two.

The pedophile TW is largely a conspiracy theory & strawman to justify fear, hatred and bigotry against transwomen and that is a narrative constructed and pushed by GC extremists as well as Neo-Nazis.

TRAs against pedophiles aren’t claiming that the vast majority of TW are pretending to be TW because they are pedophiles who want access to underage children. TRAs know that gender identity has nothing to do with whether a person is or is not a pedophile. So they are against pedophiles in a rational, non discriminatory way.

The exact same conspiracy theory & strawman of “they’re pedophiles” was used against Jews and Gay men in the past by Nazis and heterosexual women. So no surprise it would rear its ugly head amongst those who think gender identity doesn’t even exist.

You can’t really conflate the two views anymore than you could claim that the KKK are on the same side as feminists lobbying for safer streets from violent crime. Why? Because the KKK think all violent criminals are Black men, but feminists know it’s majority men of any race.

SinnerBoy · 20/03/2023 08:09

Helleofabore · Today 07:21

reduxx.info/exclusive-australian-woman-left-disabled-following-attack-by-trans-activist/

I remember you posting that a while ago.

Datun · 20/03/2023 08:11

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/03/2023 08:07

Anyway, it's Hobart next for KJK - 1am UK time tonight (well, tomorrow), so I'm back to bed for a few hours Smile

Yep. Onwards and upwards.

SinnerBoy · 20/03/2023 08:13

Onnabugeisha · Today 08:08

No, because there is a critical difference between the two.

Blimey, you don't half post a load of old shite. You write that and claim that SFW are aligned with Nazis, but don't see that you are doing what you're accusing others of doing.

KJK had her event and invited people to speak, the Nazis turned up, uninvited and crashed it. She didn't give them the microphone. Seriously, your dishonesty is pretty staggering.

FannyCann · 20/03/2023 08:14

"Todorovic, who faced recent criticism for becoming a Seafolly swimwear ambassador, posted on social media: 'As I sit here crying into my phone catching up on the news of the Neo-Nazi Anti-Trans protests that took place in Melbourne over the weekend, I feel terrified.'"

From the Daily Mail piece - a man who is now modelling women's swimwear, crying into his phone.
Tssk. We can't have free speech for women, men everywhere will be crying into their phones. Reminds me of someone who had a mad angry cry - I've forgotten what upset her so much now but she will surely empathise with these poor men.

😂😂😂

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 08:17

Onnabugeisha · 20/03/2023 08:08

No, because there is a critical difference between the two.

The pedophile TW is largely a conspiracy theory & strawman to justify fear, hatred and bigotry against transwomen and that is a narrative constructed and pushed by GC extremists as well as Neo-Nazis.

TRAs against pedophiles aren’t claiming that the vast majority of TW are pretending to be TW because they are pedophiles who want access to underage children. TRAs know that gender identity has nothing to do with whether a person is or is not a pedophile. So they are against pedophiles in a rational, non discriminatory way.

The exact same conspiracy theory & strawman of “they’re pedophiles” was used against Jews and Gay men in the past by Nazis and heterosexual women. So no surprise it would rear its ugly head amongst those who think gender identity doesn’t even exist.

You can’t really conflate the two views anymore than you could claim that the KKK are on the same side as feminists lobbying for safer streets from violent crime. Why? Because the KKK think all violent criminals are Black men, but feminists know it’s majority men of any race.

Really?

Yet your blunt instrument of guilt by association lacks any compelling view point, yet you are here continuing to push it.

feminists know it’s majority men of any race

Let me fix that for you.

feminists know it’s majority men of any race or gender or religion or occupation. It is the majority of MEN who are voilent criminals.

Now we are getting somewhere.

Would you like to post that evidence you have that Kellie Jay believes any different from Julie Bindel about the prevalence of paedophiles in any group?

Or are you just going to keep doubling down on the guilt by association aspect which you have not provided any evidence of at all outside some links to articles discussing the claims without also providing compelling evidence.

Datun · 20/03/2023 08:20

SinnerBoy · 20/03/2023 08:13

Onnabugeisha · Today 08:08

No, because there is a critical difference between the two.

Blimey, you don't half post a load of old shite. You write that and claim that SFW are aligned with Nazis, but don't see that you are doing what you're accusing others of doing.

KJK had her event and invited people to speak, the Nazis turned up, uninvited and crashed it. She didn't give them the microphone. Seriously, your dishonesty is pretty staggering.

it really is a load of old shite. I usually don't read that poster or skim read. But even if I do read it, it's just desperate bollocks.

Frantically trying to tie KJK to anything, even the most tenuous, fantastical gossamer thin thread to anything at all so that someone somewhere might frown at it.

Eye bleedingly tedious.

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 08:22

SinnerBoy · 20/03/2023 08:13

Onnabugeisha · Today 08:08

No, because there is a critical difference between the two.

Blimey, you don't half post a load of old shite. You write that and claim that SFW are aligned with Nazis, but don't see that you are doing what you're accusing others of doing.

KJK had her event and invited people to speak, the Nazis turned up, uninvited and crashed it. She didn't give them the microphone. Seriously, your dishonesty is pretty staggering.

Dishonest posting is very clear when you see it.

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