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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scottish Parliament final debate on Gender Recognition Reform today

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ArabellaScott · 20/12/2022 10:37

At some point after 2pm, in the Big Room (the Chamber).

www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/whats-on-and-watch-live/whats-on#wm

Will be interesting to see how the Amendments go down, if they are all struck down as the ScotGov wishes - www.holyrood.com/news/view,gender-recognition-reform-crunch-vote-after-shona-robison-warns-msps-over-amendments

'the Scottish Conservatives have warned that the debate could lead to a "travesty of democracy" because a 15 minute time limit for each proposal will "shut down" discussion.'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64032916

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Ramblingnamechanger · 22/12/2022 10:29

So why do they not get a woman’s rights correspondent on? Any woman from here would actually do, though I agree it was more wide ranging than I would have expected.

Frecklefacestrawberry · 22/12/2022 10:37

I disliked how Women’s Hour repeatedly
talked about changing legal gender, surely it’s legal sex?
The idea that it’s so easy to change your legal sex, which relates to something biological, seems more powerful and meaningful than the idea of changing your gender, which is some wishy-washy made up sexist claptrap about wearing dresses and mascara.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/12/2022 10:43

ArabellaScott · 22/12/2022 09:30

Thanks, Selfportraitwithhagstone.

Lovely song here: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1a79600e-8183-11ed-ab78-11b70ed96428?shareToken=8eda9fd3621798b4c4d278e0d2f2a26d

'Women's rights are human rights - this isn't over yet'

hearing women's voices sing

women's rights are human rights
this isn't over yet

sent shivers down my spine

ArabellaScott · 22/12/2022 10:44

Frecklefacestrawberry · 22/12/2022 10:37

I disliked how Women’s Hour repeatedly
talked about changing legal gender, surely it’s legal sex?
The idea that it’s so easy to change your legal sex, which relates to something biological, seems more powerful and meaningful than the idea of changing your gender, which is some wishy-washy made up sexist claptrap about wearing dresses and mascara.

Lady Haldane's JR was pretty clear that a GRC changes your sex.

Except when in other places she also said that single sex exemptions could still apply. When she was less than clear.

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JacquelinePot · 22/12/2022 10:44

Yes Bernard, it brought a tear to my eye

ResisterRex · 22/12/2022 11:12

Lyrics to the song from yesterday:

twitter.com/lesleysemmens/status/1605719484341313536?s=46&t=Nk5U_3qc6nvg7VGc8wrjiA

RhannionKPSS · 22/12/2022 11:55

Please keep writing to our MPs & MSPs in the New Year.

We aren’t going away

This isn’t the end of this, we aren’t going to give up on women & children in Scotland.
Please keep helping us push back because this appalling situation will spread further down south.

RhannionKPSS · 22/12/2022 11:57

THANKS TO ALL OF YOU WHO ARE STANDING BESIDE US IN THIS WAR ON WOMEN 💚🤍💜

Skyellaskerry · 22/12/2022 12:11

ArabellaScott · 22/12/2022 08:46

And fwiw I think it's an utter disgrace to accuse those with issues relating to personal care, care responsibilities, young babies, etc, of 'complaining' about time limits. This is not emergency legislation. They can take all the time they need to discuss it in a civilised manner, with ministers that are adequately rested.

I am appalled at this - disgusting lack of any respect or consideration.
This was not an emergency and could have been rescheduled to an afternoon in January that was free but, as pointed out by Alexander Burnett very late last night, that slot is now filled with, who would have guessed, something re Indy.

Skyellaskerry · 22/12/2022 12:12

FMQs now on the Scot parliament tv site

Skyellaskerry · 22/12/2022 12:18

Nicola has just done her As a woman….and I am a Feminist …..
Worth watching

ResisterRex · 22/12/2022 12:19

FWS called transphobic by an MSP??

twitter.com/forwomenscot/status/1605891925482999808?s=46&t=P7YOdLQyNoVRQfRcMSrzdQ

picklemewalnuts · 22/12/2022 12:21

RhannionKPSS · 22/12/2022 11:57

THANKS TO ALL OF YOU WHO ARE STANDING BESIDE US IN THIS WAR ON WOMEN 💚🤍💜

Reading. Shocked. All power to your elbow.

Bloody nutters. (That's DH's reasoned response to this whole shenanigans! Sometimes it's all I can muster, too.)

xalo · 22/12/2022 12:29

If Nicola had daughters.. I wonder.

MichaelFabricantWig · 22/12/2022 12:34

TW upsetting news story about serious male violence

news.sky.com/story/amp/killamarsh-deaths-damien-bendall-who-murdered-pregnant-woman-and-three-children-sentenced-to-whole-life-prison-term-12772391

can anyone explain if a case like this arose in Scotland what could be done to stop this man IDing as female to get into a woman’s prison? Nothing, I fear

chilling19 · 22/12/2022 12:53

This came through from bbc alerts - interesting part is about how Sturgeon/SNP are being held to account for every vote. And we will hold them to account, you can bet on that.

Scottish Parliament final debate on Gender Recognition Reform today
ArabellaScott · 22/12/2022 12:54

I can't read about that case or talk about it at the moment, I'm sorry, it's too much. I can't actually understand how something so dark can happen in the world. I can't understand how anyone can deal with it and I feel very much for the police and court members who do so. And journalists.

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chilling19 · 22/12/2022 12:55

Arabella ❤️

Justme56 · 22/12/2022 12:57

Sorry to ask but if the legislation is passed what happens next. I’m assuming that laws don’t come into play immediately but don’t know enough about it.

HopRockers · 22/12/2022 12:58

I finally have a reply from my SNP MSP - sent snail mail so I have no idea which of the last four emails it's in response to & it's just improve the process for trans and non-binary blah blah will vote for it. That man sat opposite me & agreed self ID would legalise indecent exposure & worse.

spineless bastard

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/12/2022 12:59

Arabella 💐im
ao sorry ((((()))))

pantsforteaagain · 22/12/2022 13:00

We should be talking about the political advantages of bringing in this law in terms of winning over younger voters. This is the huge social justice issue for the younger generation. And Sturgeon lowered the voting age to 16 for the independence referendum, which will also be the voting age for the next one. This bill will be a big win for the SNP among that age group.

HopRockers · 22/12/2022 13:02

Oh god MichaelFabricantWig 😭

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 22/12/2022 13:19

pantsforteaagain · 22/12/2022 13:00

We should be talking about the political advantages of bringing in this law in terms of winning over younger voters. This is the huge social justice issue for the younger generation. And Sturgeon lowered the voting age to 16 for the independence referendum, which will also be the voting age for the next one. This bill will be a big win for the SNP among that age group.

I doubt it.

Gender is already more or less past it with the youngsters.

TikTok is full of young ‘transphobes’ now!

nauticant · 22/12/2022 13:20

This bill will be a big win for the SNP among that age group.

For however long 16-20somethings are on board with gender identity ideology, yes. But what happens if that age group get completely sick of gender everything all of the time and look around at their peers and realise that the gender-obsessed ones are the ones best avoided?

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