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Kellie-Jay's New Political Party

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TheBadLuckOfTeelaBrown · 07/12/2022 13:34

I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections.

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1600235830475653123?s=20&t=hhlXpo7uErB4FlkFj1nSRA

www.theotherparty.co.uk

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Happylittlechicken · 10/12/2022 18:33

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 18:30

No, it’s not ok. None of it is ok. But I prefer to vote for MPs who say all womens rights matter. Not KJK who says we can just “set aside” abortion rights.
It’s not a question of which right do we get to keep…it’s fight for them all.

And which MPs are those? Can you tell me one Party that has said they will defend womens rights to single sex spaces and stop the erosion of language that defines women?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 10/12/2022 18:36

@Onnabugeisha , I'm going to repeat myself

the stuff you've posted as evidence doesn't draw the same reaction from others as it does from you.

you say 'Posie went on Carl Benjamin's podcast' and expect everyone else to go 'oh, right, right, fair enough, pass me the matches then'

where people generally just shrug

anyolddinosaur · 10/12/2022 18:37

I could only bear to read about 15 pages of the guilt by association drivel. Yes it may put off teenagers, adult women who have had children tend to be more pragmatic.

Admiration for those of you willing to try and teach a pig to sing but it is a waste of time and energy.

Happylittlechicken · 10/12/2022 18:38

I was once in the same shop as Nigel Farage and he said ‘excuse me’ and I moved Does this count as me working with the far right @Onnabugeisha ? Am I now a UKIP member?

Boiledbeetle · 10/12/2022 18:40

"It’s not a question of which right do we get to keep…it’s fight for them all."

@Onnabugeisha but if you had to choose which would you choose?

IcakethereforeIam · 10/12/2022 18:41

@Happylittlechicken I think the Communist party? Not the socialist workers though.

Boiledbeetle · 10/12/2022 18:42

Happylittlechicken · 10/12/2022 18:38

I was once in the same shop as Nigel Farage and he said ‘excuse me’ and I moved Does this count as me working with the far right @Onnabugeisha ? Am I now a UKIP member?

I once had to, as part of a shop opening, have my photo taken with Giles Brandreth. Does this make me a member of the conservative party?

Happylittlechicken · 10/12/2022 18:43

Of @IcakethereforeIam now I’m torn. I really don’t want to be a communist, but I suppose if I worked with them, @Onnabugeisha definitely couldn’t accuse me of being far right 😂😂.

IcakethereforeIam · 10/12/2022 18:44

Wanna bet?

Happylittlechicken · 10/12/2022 18:47

Yeah, I think that was me being optimistic Cake. Maybe Bug thinks any female is automatically right wing if they don’t believe in gender ideology

IcakethereforeIam · 10/12/2022 18:50

I'd be fine with being a commie, comrades. I'd totally rock the beret.

HatThatWearsYou · 10/12/2022 18:57

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 09:53

No. They’ve said the opposite. You love your lies don’t you.

@Helleofaborewas quoting me and she was right.

I mean it's right there in black and white. I don't think I used ambiguous language...

Boiledbeetle · 10/12/2022 19:01

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 10/12/2022 18:09

Oh look, derails of cake, smooches etc to take away valid concerns put forward by @Onnabugeisha
Same old, same old

By the way Golf, geisha derailed first by accusing us on here of having some secret group who pm each other whenever someone from the other side turns up. We have been having some lighthearted fun with that on a cold wintery Saturday when it's too cold to do much else, having watched this row go on for pages and pages.

PomegranateOfPersephone · 10/12/2022 19:05

Just wow.

This thread is insane.

KJK wasn’t exaggerating at all when she said some women are obsessed with her. She is obviously doing something right if she has team gender identity this riled up that they are willing to spend quite so much time and energy denouncing her.

We’ll definitely need another thread about the Other Party when this one has filled up. Doesn’t seem like we got much chat about the actual party or the political challenge it puts before the mainstream parties.

LangClegsInSpace · 10/12/2022 19:07

I posted an article about it earlier how Parliament refused to recognise abortion rights as a human right for the U.K. Bill of Rights,

Yes you did. You haven't explained why it needs to be in there when it's not in our current human rights framework though.

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 19:07

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 17:57

@Helleofabore
The evidence seems to have consisted of a snippet from YouTube, with a transcript (thanks to that poster) and a repeatedly posted image. Unverified and with out wider context.

Funny, you “missed” 95% of the evidence and spent most of your time cutting and pasting comments without the links included.

Sorry.... What have any of those got to do with abortion?

That is the entire point.

You are drawing some very bizarre and very weak insinuations about her intentions.

Tell us all, WHAT DO THOSE SCREENSHOTS tell us about her intention regarding ABORTION?

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 19:10

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 17:58

Oh, I’m not done with the evidence you missed…

here too. What do these screenshots say that I have not shown in my thread about the very weak evidence that was posted and that posters relied on with such great confidence that was bad faith interpretations of what she actually said

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 19:13

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 18:00

Few more. Yeah, but you’re not being dishonest are you by posting my comments without their links and saying

“The evidence seems to have consisted of a snippet from YouTube, with a transcript (thanks to that poster) and a repeatedly posted image. Unverified and with out wider context.”

🤣🤣

FFS

Do you actually not see the dishonesty in your own posts? I mean really? And you then project on about 'sarcasm' and 'accusations'.

Please tell me exactly what accusation I have made that you disagree with apart from the fact you post dishonestly?

Either way.

PLEASE TELL US WHAT IN YOUR POSTS HAVE NOT I COVERED IN THE THREAD OF SO CALLED EVIDENCE ABOUT .... ABORTION!

Nothing else... just evidence about what she intends to do regarding abortion.

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 19:14

Oh... and by the way... just in case you want to try your usual ... well you didn't say that in your post. My post opens with:

Links about abortion that posters have found convinced them that Kellie Jay is going to roll back abortion:

Are you starting to get it yet?

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 19:16

We’ll definitely need another thread about the Other Party when this one has filled up. Doesn’t seem like we got much chat about the actual party or the political challenge it puts before the mainstream parties.

No immediate rush - she's a bit busy. Again, from the BB interview:

Next year I've got Newcastle, Scotland, two dates in London, then I'm going to Australia for three and a half weeks to do a tour and documentary in Australia, also across to New Zealand.

Then I'm gonna go and do the same in Canada, so I'm back for a couple of weeks and I'll go to Canada, and then when I come back I'll have about a year to campaign towards the general election.

We'll have to enjoy hearing all the ways she's doing Australia, New Zealand and Canada wrong before we can properly get onto all the incorrect politicking.

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 19:17

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 10/12/2022 18:36

@Onnabugeisha , I'm going to repeat myself

the stuff you've posted as evidence doesn't draw the same reaction from others as it does from you.

you say 'Posie went on Carl Benjamin's podcast' and expect everyone else to go 'oh, right, right, fair enough, pass me the matches then'

where people generally just shrug

Yes I agree. Maybe they don’t know much about Carl Benjamin? KJK recorded long interviews with him in 2018 and 2021 that I know of…and they were very friendly…it was a level of co-miserating about “SJWs” and horrible police. I can overlook the 2018 one because what Carl Benjamin is wasn’t in all the major news…it all broke when he ran for UKIP in 2019. But to go back in 2021? Knowing this is a man who…

Mr Benjamin, who is standing for Ukip in the South West in the European elections, tweeted about Phillips in 2016 and said "I wouldn't even rape you."

I feel sick watching Carl Benjamin chuckling along to people joining in what the language he has given them about putting a bag on my head and raping me," Phillips wrote on Twitter after watching him defending making jokes about raping her on air…

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-rape-joke-man-carl-16155596

In February 2018 during a livestream, he launched into a racist rant:

“You are acting like a bunch of n—-s, just so you know. You act like white n——s.”

“You carry on, but don’t expect that I have to debate with one of you f—g-ts. Why would I bother? Like why would I bother? You act like an upper class twat’? Maybe you’re just acting like a n—-r, mate. Have you considered that? Do you think white people act like this? White people are meant to be polite and respectful to one another and you guys can’t even act like white people.”

In another video, Benjamin said Jewish people “needed to drop the identity politics” before, adding: “I’m sorry about the Holocaust, but I don’t give a shit.”

In another video, Benjamin linked feminism with mass killings carried out by misogynistic men.

www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/benjamin-akkad-racial-statements

In a video in 2015, in which he calls a disabled person a "retard" and uses racist terms. In the footage obtained by Sky News, the self-styled "free speech extremist" records himself speaking over an anti-discrimination video.

When an woman explains it is not acceptable to call Asian people “ck”, Mr Benjamin replies: "You lose! It's actually just f* fine and I'll tell you why – because Asians are privileged."

He then tells the woman to “f* off” and adds that it is “OK” for him to use the racist term “because racism is power plus prejudice".

Over the course of the clip, he also calls a woman with Downs Syndrome a "retard", a black man a n***, and posts anti-Semitic pictures over an image of a Jewish man. (I’ve seen screenshots of this bit on another news channel…it’s cartoon/drawn characters with hook noses out of Nazi propaganda)

news.sky.com/story/carl-benjamin-ukip-mep-candidate-challenged-over-racist-language-11703619

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ukip-mep-carl-benjamin-racist-video-a4126986.html

In a 2014 video he said

“I can be quoted as saying you can f* young boys. It’s actually not as controversial as you think.

"Depends on the child, doesn’t it? The ancient Greeks were pederasts. It was considered to be normal. It was mentoring."

www.thesun.co.uk/news/8956117/top-ukip-candidate-says-its-ok-to-rape-young-boys-in-sick-youtube-rant/

AutumnCrow · 10/12/2022 19:20

That's an impressive itinerary for KJK. And to all the necessary places.

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 19:21

Boiledbeetle · 10/12/2022 19:01

By the way Golf, geisha derailed first by accusing us on here of having some secret group who pm each other whenever someone from the other side turns up. We have been having some lighthearted fun with that on a cold wintery Saturday when it's too cold to do much else, having watched this row go on for pages and pages.

No, the first derail was @Helleofabore “calling BS” on my support of single sex spaces by posting a bunch of sliced and diced snippets from another thread all deliberately done to create a false narrative.

Boiledbeetle · 10/12/2022 19:23

@Onnabugeisha Ooh no after that post I've completely changed my mind about KJK...

Nope. Still would vote for her over starmer and his inability to define a woman.

Got anything else to persuade me to vote differently?

That was rhetorical question by the way.

Boiledbeetle · 10/12/2022 19:24

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 19:21

No, the first derail was @Helleofabore “calling BS” on my support of single sex spaces by posting a bunch of sliced and diced snippets from another thread all deliberately done to create a false narrative.

Obviously we'll have to agree to disagree on who the derailer of this thread is.

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