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Kellie-Jay's New Political Party

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TheBadLuckOfTeelaBrown · 07/12/2022 13:34

I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections.

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1600235830475653123?s=20&t=hhlXpo7uErB4FlkFj1nSRA

www.theotherparty.co.uk

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OldCrone · 10/12/2022 09:45

I think it’s fascinating that the same people arguing KJK can work with whoever she wants to get the message across, don’t think that other individual women should be able to have their own boundaries and decide she’s not for them due to the people she’s worked with.

I don't think anyone's said that other women can't "have their own boundaries and decide she’s not for them".

What is not clear is why such women feel the need to spend so much time and energy on attacking her, when they could be fighting for the rights they want in the way they want to do it.

Why do you feel the need to spend so much time on here attacking her? How does that benefit your cause?

OldCrone · 10/12/2022 09:47

I am not a GC feminist because I cannot agree with the GC belief that transgender people literally do not exist.

You really have no idea what gender critical people believe, do you?

OldCrone · 10/12/2022 09:48

You cannot seriously think all women who want single sex spaces are GC?

Obviously not. Who said they did think this?

AlisonDonut · 10/12/2022 09:50

Namochang · 10/12/2022 09:27

I think it’s fascinating that the same people arguing KJK can work with whoever she wants to get the message across, don’t think that other individual women should be able to have their own boundaries and decide she’s not for them due to the people she’s worked with.
I see this as very much a feminist movement still and her principles don’t align with mine, so I don’t support her.

Disagreeing on that point doesn’t make me a Mens rights activist, and if that’s the come back we go with when the left wing feminists get suspicious with her at the front, we’re going to look like a laughing stock.

It can't be that fascinating as that is all in your head. Nobody on here is saying you can't work with whoever you want to work with.

You all sit here throwing hate at KJK because you know she can't talk back. If you want to go onto her show and tell her to her face, it's on a Tuesday Night. I'm sure we would all love you to actually go on there and tell her straight.

If you want to sign up for that, I'm sure one of us could secure you a specific time slot for her show for you. Pop some Tuesdays that you are free and I'm sure someone can start to do some arranging for you. Get it all off your chests.

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 09:50

I think that bug has decided we are all the same person looking at that last post.

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 09:52

OldCrone · 10/12/2022 09:45

I think it’s fascinating that the same people arguing KJK can work with whoever she wants to get the message across, don’t think that other individual women should be able to have their own boundaries and decide she’s not for them due to the people she’s worked with.

I don't think anyone's said that other women can't "have their own boundaries and decide she’s not for them".

What is not clear is why such women feel the need to spend so much time and energy on attacking her, when they could be fighting for the rights they want in the way they want to do it.

Why do you feel the need to spend so much time on here attacking her? How does that benefit your cause?

Why do so many other women feel the need to defend KJK to the point of calling the truth lies? And hours cherry picking phrases from other threads that can be posted out of all context and twisted to tear down another (random) woman who is pointing out the inconvenient truths about KJK?

You guys spend far more time attacking me than I have on posting about KJK which was btw at your request. Your lot demanded we post links and evidence. You asked us to do this. You asked us to spend this time.

Too bad you’re too close minded to even read what you asked for.

OldCrone · 10/12/2022 09:52

I find it absolutely despicable that you would confront children in toilets

Katie Dolatowski was 17 when he filmed a 12-year-old girl and sexually assaulted a 10-year-old girl in a women's toilet. It would have been much better if someone had confronted him and kicked him out before he could commit his offences.

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 09:52

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 09:50

I think that bug has decided we are all the same person looking at that last post.

And to add to that that despite posters telling them that they do in fact go and look at the threads to check, that bug thinks that they don’t and bug obviously never checks back either.

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 09:53

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 09:50

I think that bug has decided we are all the same person looking at that last post.

No, I know youre a clique because you PM each other and then all show up on the same threads to do a pile on against me. @Datun even bragged about it on this thread.

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 09:53

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 09:52

And to add to that that despite posters telling them that they do in fact go and look at the threads to check, that bug thinks that they don’t and bug obviously never checks back either.

No. They’ve said the opposite. You love your lies don’t you.

Happylittlechicken · 10/12/2022 09:55

Namochang · 10/12/2022 09:27

I think it’s fascinating that the same people arguing KJK can work with whoever she wants to get the message across, don’t think that other individual women should be able to have their own boundaries and decide she’s not for them due to the people she’s worked with.
I see this as very much a feminist movement still and her principles don’t align with mine, so I don’t support her.

Disagreeing on that point doesn’t make me a Mens rights activist, and if that’s the come back we go with when the left wing feminists get suspicious with her at the front, we’re going to look like a laughing stock.

The thing is, you’ve been lumped on this thread with @Onnabugeishawho is actually a mens rights activist, by agreeing with some of their statements, so by your definition of ‘working with’ you are actually a mens rights activist. That’s just if we go by the rules that you seem to have laid down for KJK.
Apparently agreeing with someone on one subject means you agree with everything they stand for
. So now by your logic, those right wing groups are ardent left wing feminists, or does this only go one way? does this mean all those people who agree with gender ideology are pedophiles like John Money? He is the pedophile who coined this whole ‘gender’ movement. The man who coined the term ‘cis’ is a pedophile apologist. Should I presume anyone who uses that term agrees with all his ideas?

Peter Tatchell wrote a letter saying not all sex between children and adults should be considered abusive. Are you saying that everyone who is pro gay marriage and against homophobia is also a pedophile apologist? I mean, he’s done a lot of good work for LGB rights but he also has very bad opinions on children and sex.

are you prepared to hold these people to the same standards as KJK or do they get a pass because of their sex?

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 09:55

OldCrone · 10/12/2022 09:52

I find it absolutely despicable that you would confront children in toilets

Katie Dolatowski was 17 when he filmed a 12-year-old girl and sexually assaulted a 10-year-old girl in a women's toilet. It would have been much better if someone had confronted him and kicked him out before he could commit his offences.

You haven’t read the thread then. I said specifically I was talking about children not hulking great teenagers as posters like @Helleofabore deliberately twisting things into. My thread had a 12yr old girl. And we were talking about pre-teens.

OldCrone · 10/12/2022 09:57

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 09:52

Why do so many other women feel the need to defend KJK to the point of calling the truth lies? And hours cherry picking phrases from other threads that can be posted out of all context and twisted to tear down another (random) woman who is pointing out the inconvenient truths about KJK?

You guys spend far more time attacking me than I have on posting about KJK which was btw at your request. Your lot demanded we post links and evidence. You asked us to do this. You asked us to spend this time.

Too bad you’re too close minded to even read what you asked for.

What was your original motivation for posting on this thread? If people asked for evidence, it was after you had posted the attacks. What did you hope to gain from coming on a thread which was posted as information about what KJK was planning, for those who might want to support her, and posting attacks? Why were you here in the first place? Why weren't you out with WPUK doing whatever they are doing for women's rights?

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 09:58

Happylittlechicken · 10/12/2022 09:55

The thing is, you’ve been lumped on this thread with @Onnabugeishawho is actually a mens rights activist, by agreeing with some of their statements, so by your definition of ‘working with’ you are actually a mens rights activist. That’s just if we go by the rules that you seem to have laid down for KJK.
Apparently agreeing with someone on one subject means you agree with everything they stand for
. So now by your logic, those right wing groups are ardent left wing feminists, or does this only go one way? does this mean all those people who agree with gender ideology are pedophiles like John Money? He is the pedophile who coined this whole ‘gender’ movement. The man who coined the term ‘cis’ is a pedophile apologist. Should I presume anyone who uses that term agrees with all his ideas?

Peter Tatchell wrote a letter saying not all sex between children and adults should be considered abusive. Are you saying that everyone who is pro gay marriage and against homophobia is also a pedophile apologist? I mean, he’s done a lot of good work for LGB rights but he also has very bad opinions on children and sex.

are you prepared to hold these people to the same standards as KJK or do they get a pass because of their sex?

I’m not talking to @Namochang at all. Don’t be disingenuous. I’m talking to your clique of compatriots.

No, I’m not an MRA. KJK is more of an MRA than I am, ready and willing to sacrifice abortion rights, that’s an MRA for you. Not the person warning you she has said this (and proved it) and says she is not following KJK because it and other reasons.

Datun · 10/12/2022 09:58

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 09:45

Ah the whiff of desperation. I knew you couldn’t resist digging holes whilst I was away. It’s hilarious how you had to resort to cutting and pasting three words to twist things your way.

I am a woman, I am a feminist, I am not a GC feminist because I cannot agree with the GC belief that transgender people literally do not exist. I am similarly not a TRA because I believe in womens’ right to single sex spaces.

Both GC and TRAs are extremists and do not realise that the majority of women are trapped between these polar opposites.

So all your snippets of text prove nothing of what you think they did. You cannot seriously think all women who want single sex spaces are GC? It’s why you’re not popular. It’s why when you hold your rallies there are a dozen on your side and hundreds counter protesting against you.

KJK doesn’t even identify as a feminist FFS.

I have posted nothing but the truth about KJK. I find it absolutely despicable that you would confront children in toilets and am baffled as to why you chose that thread which paints you as a coward and bully who likes picking on children.

I find it despicable that you are comfortable with the idea of sacrificing our right to a legal and safe abortion for any concession of any kind from the patriarchy- that’s the mindset of an MRA Handmaiden, not the mindset of any feminist worth her salt. But it goes along with being a coward right? Too afraid to fight for your rights so you’re going to side with whoever cuts a deal no matter how many womens lives it costs to do so.

We didn’t win our reproductive rights to just set them aside with a nebulous comment “oh we can win them back” ?! Really? How fucking stupid can you be?

But you’re alright Jack because you’re probably past the age of needing an abortion and you don’t give two shits about all girls and women of childbearing age. Which is most women btw.

Christ, what a load of bollocks.

Namochang · 10/12/2022 09:59

OldCrone · 10/12/2022 09:45

I think it’s fascinating that the same people arguing KJK can work with whoever she wants to get the message across, don’t think that other individual women should be able to have their own boundaries and decide she’s not for them due to the people she’s worked with.

I don't think anyone's said that other women can't "have their own boundaries and decide she’s not for them".

What is not clear is why such women feel the need to spend so much time and energy on attacking her, when they could be fighting for the rights they want in the way they want to do it.

Why do you feel the need to spend so much time on here attacking her? How does that benefit your cause?

I’ve barely spent any time here actually, maybe an hour in total of my life. Probably the same as most others commenting. And I haven’t been attacking her, but when people publicly accuse you of being a liar and demand links, I’ve been providing them. It’s the links I’ve provided that show what she’s done and who she’s worked with that you’re seeing as ‘attacking her’ not me.

Wont vote Labour, despite knowing they are the best for most women because they are not the best on this one issue, but happy to support Posie because she’s good on one issue alone but openly doesn’t really care about the other issues. Interesting how only one of those is allowed to be said on here, the other is blasphemy.

The mind boggles.

OldCrone · 10/12/2022 09:59

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 09:53

No, I know youre a clique because you PM each other and then all show up on the same threads to do a pile on against me. @Datun even bragged about it on this thread.

I'm feeling really left out now. I haven't had a PM for months.

(It's OK, I don't need PMs from anyone.)

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 10:01

That is funny. I didn’t see datun’s post and no one ‘calls’ me to a thread because I never bother looking at notifications.

A ‘Clique’? Is what what you are now calling women who can see the inconsistencies and fuckwittery in your posts now?

Goodness. You do like to use hyperbole and no, no PMing either to organise “pile ons”

So, another call for sympathy then? Another claim for victimhood?

Crack on.

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 10:02

OldCrone · 10/12/2022 09:57

What was your original motivation for posting on this thread? If people asked for evidence, it was after you had posted the attacks. What did you hope to gain from coming on a thread which was posted as information about what KJK was planning, for those who might want to support her, and posting attacks? Why were you here in the first place? Why weren't you out with WPUK doing whatever they are doing for women's rights?

No, I did not attack KJK.
I said I wouldn’t vote for her. Was asked why, declined to respond. Then was mocked.
Then a few other posters also said they would not vote for her due to her problematic aspects and listed a few.
This poster was then attacked and called a liar. Repeatedly
I then posted evidence in response to those attacks, because I knew the problematic aspects were true.

What was your motivation coming on this thread? To say your opinion and hope not to be attacked for it? That was my motivation. But apparently it’s not ok to say anything negative about KJK. It is really depressing how she is on some sort of pedestal.

AlisonDonut · 10/12/2022 10:03

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 09:53

No, I know youre a clique because you PM each other and then all show up on the same threads to do a pile on against me. @Datun even bragged about it on this thread.

Another lie.

You just can't help yourself!

Anyway, which Tuesday are you free for a chat with KJK to make your accusations to her face?

Namochang · 10/12/2022 10:11

AlisonDonut · 10/12/2022 10:03

Another lie.

You just can't help yourself!

Anyway, which Tuesday are you free for a chat with KJK to make your accusations to her face?

Badgering like a true TRA.

Posie has had these questions asked of her a thousand times, her response is always that she’s worked with whoever will give her a platform to get the message out.

As I’ve already said, if she’s fine with that then that’s up to her, if you’re fine with that then that’s up to you. I’m not fine with that and that’s up to me.

You don’t need to be her protector, Posie doesn’t give a shiny shit what anyone thinks of her.

OldCrone · 10/12/2022 10:12

Namochang · 10/12/2022 09:59

I’ve barely spent any time here actually, maybe an hour in total of my life. Probably the same as most others commenting. And I haven’t been attacking her, but when people publicly accuse you of being a liar and demand links, I’ve been providing them. It’s the links I’ve provided that show what she’s done and who she’s worked with that you’re seeing as ‘attacking her’ not me.

Wont vote Labour, despite knowing they are the best for most women because they are not the best on this one issue, but happy to support Posie because she’s good on one issue alone but openly doesn’t really care about the other issues. Interesting how only one of those is allowed to be said on here, the other is blasphemy.

The mind boggles.

Have you had any of your posts deleted? If not, you're allowed to say what you want to say.

All views are allowed on here, and the regulars here don't tend to report offensive posts because the offensiveness says so much about the poster. You are not being censored.

Some of us disagree with you. That's also allowed. People are different. Not everyone here is a feminist. Not everyone here is left wing. We have different opinions about what we want and what we think is the best way to get it.

This might seem odd or threatening if you're used to an echo chamber, but it's more like real life. Best to get used to it.

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 10:16

Yes Alison . Because women who are regulars on these boards cannot come to the same conclusions as others without huddling. We cannot think critically apparently and evaluate threads and posts all independently and come up with the same thoughts.

It is another extreme activist tactic actually to treat people who disagree with you as idiots. To believe that you have the moral high ground as well.

It becomes far easier to dismiss a supposed group of wrong thinker than a disparate group of women who all just end up coming to the same conclusion from simply reading the fuckwittery posted by one poster.

Treat them like a clique, a group, and viola, they must all be dumb fucks who are [insert denigration here].

This is classic extreme activist tactics.

Datun · 10/12/2022 10:22

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 09:53

No, I know youre a clique because you PM each other and then all show up on the same threads to do a pile on against me. @Datun even bragged about it on this thread.

Haha! No I didn't. And no I don't. I don't need to.

You're the person who brings helleofabore onto these threads. Your posts. Your comments. Your drivel.

Namochang · 10/12/2022 10:23

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 10:16

Yes Alison . Because women who are regulars on these boards cannot come to the same conclusions as others without huddling. We cannot think critically apparently and evaluate threads and posts all independently and come up with the same thoughts.

It is another extreme activist tactic actually to treat people who disagree with you as idiots. To believe that you have the moral high ground as well.

It becomes far easier to dismiss a supposed group of wrong thinker than a disparate group of women who all just end up coming to the same conclusion from simply reading the fuckwittery posted by one poster.

Treat them like a clique, a group, and viola, they must all be dumb fucks who are [insert denigration here].

This is classic extreme activist tactics.

Explains why a few of you said anyone here ‘attacking’ Posie were all just men’s rights activists who hate women and want mutilated children then. I did wonder how it was possible to deduce that from my posts but now I get it. Thanks for explaining.

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