Kellie-Jay's New Political Party

[TheBadLuckOfTeelaBrown]

I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections.

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1600235830475653123?s=20&t=hhlXpo7uErB4FlkFj1nSRA

www.theotherparty.co.uk

It’s a complete strawman. It’s like saying take away woman and we won’t have the right to vote. Utter idiocy.

This ADF?

Exactly this. Take away the word woman and there will be no abortion rights anyway as women as a sex won’t exist.

Thats a bit of a straw man response. Transmen have never been denied abortions in the U.K.

That's not what straw man means.

What are you trying to say here? That women won't be denied abortions even if we're no longer allowed to call ourselves women and all our other rights are taken away? That's very naive of you.

I'd be way more worried about abortion rights in a situation where all our other rights have been removed.

One would hope that WPUK who are apparently aligned with labour would be able to influence the party and Starmer? Evidently not - maybe because they spend endless hours on Mumsnet lecturing women about our wrongthink & how awful KJK is.
Thank heavens for Standing for Women and all the other successful campaigning organisations mentioned earlier for their successful campaigning that's making a difference.

Why does the video cut off before she makes her point? It gets all of her 'by the way' but her actual point has been cut off. Weird.

@MarshaBradyo
By all means be another option but a shame to invest time in undermining someone else who is for women.

KJK isn’t for women. She’s not a feminist.
Why I'm no Longer a Feminist
m.youtube.com/watch?v=ByYJmh2G6z8

She is happy to sacrifice the right to abortion, so she’s not for young women or girls who fall pregnant.

She is Islamaphobic so she is not for Muslim women or girls. She hangs about with racists and homophones so she’s not for BAME women or lesbians.

She’s said in a recent video (which I posted upthread btw, it’s the rant video) she only for “working class women” ( by which she means working class women who look like her and are like her- past the need for an abortion)

Yes-Alliance Defending Freedom. Tagged a hate group since 2016. But KJKs been collaborating with them since 2018. They are anti LGBT+ and anti-abortion espousing conservative Christian ‘values.’

www.splcenter.org/news/2020/04/10/why-alliance-defending-freedom-hate-group

www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/alliance-defending-freedom

Good grief Onnabugeisha.
Maybe it's time to talk to somebody about your feelings about KJK?

She is happy to sacrifice the right to abortion, so she’s not for young women or girls who fall pregnant.

She's literally never said this. She said it's not her political priority.

She is Islamaphobic so she is not for Muslim women or girls. She hangs about with racists and homophones so she’s not for BAME women or lesbians.

This is just a lie. (Btw, homophones are words that sound the same.) She's not racist or Islamophobic or homophobic - if you claim she is, PROVE IT.

She’s said in a recent video (which I posted upthread btw, it’s the rant video) she only for “working class women” ( by which she means working class women who look like her and are like her- past the need for an abortion)

What makes you think you can say what she means when you clearly don't understand anything KJK stands for? Of course she doesn't only stand for women who look like her and are like her! That's such bollocks. She stands for women, that means ALL of us. She's never ever said otherwise.

Again, if you're going to make these claims, you must bring the receipts.

She hangs about with racists and homophones so she’s not for BAME women or lesbians.

Homophones, eh? That sounds like nonsense (geddit?)

By this logic, the racists and homophones are now femalists and free speech advocates. After all, this uncanny influence surely can't only work one way? Or do you claim it's only women who are influenced by standing near people with different political views to them?

These rants about KJK are (yet again) becoming unhinged. It's a controlling tactic I'm used to seeing in men - going on and on and on, repeating slurs and opinions as facts, obsessing about words and phrases taken out of context.
Lundy Bancroft stuff - and most uncomfortable to read.

@Onnabugeisha Does the WPUK know that you're here representing them on FWR and do you think they're happy with the way you're conducting yourself?

I'm just wondering if the hate campaign against KJK is a WPUK-wide issue or if you're just going off by yourself. Because if it's WPUK policy then women should know that, so they can make their own decisions about how much they want to engage with a group conducting a campaign to try to silence a woman.

@beastlyslumber
You prioritise abortion rights over the erasure of women altogether.
No I don’t. To me all our rights are a priority and unlike KJK I’m not willing to give up any of my rights to protect another rights I have as a woman. KJK is wrong to convince you that must give up any of your rights at all.

logically, if there's no such thing as women, then we can forget about abortion rights.. This is complete bullshit. If we are all humans with no sex, abortions will still be legal, cancer treatment will still happen, pregnancy and childbirth with still happen. You can’t erase the biological reality of sex by erasing the word for it.

I can't support a group that spends half its time campaigning against a woman who has given everything to the fight for women's rights. More bullshit. It took two minutes to cancel KJK from Cornwall four years ago and ten minutes to write the three paragraphs about her in 2022. This is less than 1% of the “time” of one member of WPUK.

Coming on threads like these and telling lies and acting like a TRA is not going to win women to WPUK. We have not told any lies whatsoever, you have confessed you have not even clicked on the links to the evidence we provided, so you are simply calling us liars without even reading the truth first. You can’t handle the truth about KJK. You would rather not face it. And “acting like TRAs” what does that even mean! Our posts may not win you over as you have obviously drunk the kool aid and can’t bear to see a bad word written about KJK, but not all women are like you. Let them follow the links and make up their own minds.

Saying that your goals are not to defend women's rights (other than abortion) is not winning me to your cause. That’s not what I’ve said at all. I’ve said it’s dangerous to have the (MRA origin)idea that womens rights are a zero sum game whereby we must give up rights like the right to an abortion to keep or gain additional rights to our single sex spaces. KJK is the one with the goal of only defending womens spaces and bodies and to hell with the rest of our rights. You are supporting that kind of cause.

Why does the video cut off before she makes her point? It gets all of her 'by the way' but her actual point has been cut off. Weird.

Longer version which I happen to be watching now

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctcm4cS6NvA

No. Because I’m not representing them. I’ve only said I belong to them. If they think I’m out of line, they can kick me out,

Its not hate for me in my private capacity as a woman to point out the massive red flags all around KJK based on her actual words, posts, and deeds.

Does KJK know you are here representing her? Does she know you are trying to silence anyone who doesn’t worship her?

@beastlyslumber
Or do you claim it's only women who are influenced by standing near people with different political views to them?
No one has claimed that. And really you should stop making up wild accusations when you have said you are not even reading any of the evidence we have posted here as to KJKs unsuitability for public office.

I agree alison

maybe the issue is you used it a flippant funny way unlike all the wankers out there who thought it was appropriate to say this sort of shit when you were just trying to eat your dinner

maybe…..

(plus hitler wasn’t a vegetarian…)

FFS again, we have PROVED it. All this and more have been posted to this thread multiple times.

You have said you are not clicking on any links to look at it because you think “you’ve seen it all before”. Obviously you have not.

The information, the proof has been handed to you on a silver platter. You need to look at it and stop calling people liars about things you haven’t even bothered to look at and listen to.

KJK is wrong to convince you that must give up any of your rights at all.

Well, you don't need to worry. KJK has never tried to convince anyone to give up any rights. Why would she?

You can’t erase the biological reality of sex by erasing the word for it.

No, you can't. But you can erase women's rights if there's no such thing as a woman in a legal sense.

you have confessed you have not even clicked on the links to the evidence we provided

Not true. I told you I was already familiar with all your so-called 'evidence'.

You can’t handle the truth about KJK. You would rather not face it.

Totally can. Keep asking you to bring it.

And “acting like TRAs” what does that even mean!

It means posting the same crap over and over again, lying and repeating the lies over and over, twisting others' words and avoiding answering difficult questions.

Our posts may not win you over as you have obviously drunk the kool aid and can’t bear to see a bad word written about KJK, but not all women are like you. Let them follow the links and make up their own minds.

As I've said, I'm very very happy for you to keep posting your links. I think it makes you and your agenda completely clear, even if you don't realise it yourself.

Does KJK know you are here representing her? Does she know you are trying to silence anyone who doesn’t worship her?

Why so defensive? I just asked a question. And what on earth makes you think I'm trying to silence you? I keep telling you to bring evidence, bring the receipts, post the links. I'm doing the opposite of trying to silence you. Keep up!

It's about 23 mins in

You misunderstand.

I've read all your links and 'evidence' and watched the videos etc. They've all been posted multiple times on previous threads.

They do not prove anything other than that some people have really got themselves very obsessed with KJK.

You should learn the difference between an accusation and a question.

While you're at it, you could also explain why it is that KJK standing near some fascists makes her a fascist, but it doesn't make them women's rights activists. Why is that?

You haven’t clicked on any of the links. None of what was posted was a lie.

We have posted the evidence multiple times and you haven’t even looked at it.

Stop asking for what you already have & refuse to look at.

Its a loaded question that presumes something I never said, as is your fascist question and all these loaded questions you have “asked” demonstrate plainly you have not clicked on a single link or read a single piece of evidence. Because none of the evidence posted even hints at the idea that KJK is being “influenced” by “standing near” anyone at all. That is your invention. That is what you wrongly think the evidence consists of. As I said, you can’t handle the truth. That’s why you are making up illogical and silly speculation about the content of what we have linked and posted on here.

Thanks Warrior! She makes the point that she would work with the ADF are a tiny far right group that no one had ever heard of until feminists decided to give them two months of free publicity... Yes, sounds familiar.

I will have to watch the whole discussion - it looks excellent.