Kellie-Jay's New Political Party

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I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections.

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I’m an actual feminist. You know a feminist that doesn’t think it is acceptable to even hint that it is worth it to give up our right to an abortion in order to protect our right to single sex spaces.

Okay, so you're a Real Feminist and thank you for setting out what a Real Feminist is. You prioritise abortion rights over the erasure of women altogether. That's your prerogative, but obviously most women are going to feel that logically, if there's no such thing as women, then we can forget about abortion rights. So being a pure Real Feminist may end up being quite a lonely place.

KJK isn’t the only option on the table for women who want to defend womens spaces.

The problem is that you and others like you are making it so that KJK is the only option. I can't support a group that spends half its time campaigning against a woman who has given everything to the fight for women's rights. Coming on threads like these and telling lies and acting like a TRA is not going to win women to WPUK.

Saying that your goals are not to defend women's rights (other than abortion) is not winning me to your cause. Slagging off KJK for being sinful and impure and not a Real Feminist just makes me think WPUK are corrupt and ineffective. And I suspect very many other women feel the same way.

Okay, so you're a Real Feminist and thank you for setting out what a Real Feminist is. You prioritise abortion rights over the erasure of women altogether.

She wasnt saying she prioritised abortion rights, she said she wasn't willing to give them up in the fight.

What an eminently sensible and good hearted post that says in a much less grumpy and far more constructive way what I’d like to say

I know exactly what the poster said. I quoted it:

You know a feminist that doesn’t think it is acceptable to even hint that it is worth it to give up our right to an abortion in order to protect our right to single sex spaces.

In other words, abortion rights are Onna's highest priority. It would make her not a Real Feminist to even hint at the notion that they're not the most important thing.

Not everyone agrees.

She wasnt saying she prioritised abortion rights, she said she wasn't willing to give them up in the fight.

So if the question was put in the same way and she hypothetically had to give up one or the other in a zero sum scenario, she'd prioritise them, wouldn't she? Thanks for confirming.

Always odd how people are far more willing to talk about abortion rights - not under threat in the UK - to get away from having to face protecting female spaces from males.

Saying no to males makes many women so very uncomfortable. But women's bodies, autonomy and access matters in both scenarios. It's not an either or situation.

Always odd how people are far more willing to talk about abortion rights - not under threat in the UK

This isn't true, there's very much a taste for it. Baroness Nicolson sponsored a bill to lower the gestational time limit for abortion to 12 weeks in 2019

And did that bill get anywhere?

It didn't.

You think that's the last we'll hear of it?
You're being incredibly naive.

Which is actually happening right this moment?

Women excluded from any resources or spaces because of men having more rights under a lot of interesting interpretations of law, including women being raped in prisons and hospital wards?

Abortion rights being possibly, potentially under threat?

Exactly this. Take away the word woman and there will be no abortion rights anyway as women as a sex won’t exist.

Whatever, she said this, she did that, she stoped that, she stood with x. I don’t care.
I have another party I can vote for that knows what a woman is. To me that is important.

Can i just check, I really want to be able to vote for the Labour Party at some point again instead of spoiling my ballot.

However, the other day I found out that I have just 4 degrees of separation from Hitler.

As this level of guilt by association (Posie, at the invitation of WOLF, attended a Hands across the Aisle meeting, which was facilitated by the Heritage Foundation which gave money to the ADF) now probably makes me a 'literal Nazi', do you think Starmer would like my vote or would he rather not?

(I only have 3 degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon if that helps...)

Actually, they sound just like the people pushing women forward in the Witch Trials. Goody Minshall was seen cavorting with the devil at midnight. Burn her!

Well, that's just not good enough.

I went vegetarian in 1984. So I've been literally Hitler Adjacent for decades.

Do better.

I went vegetarian in 1984. So I've been literally Hitler Adjacent for decades.

This is such an embarrassing and childish analogy.

How so?

I used to get this all the time.

Going back to the subject of the thread @airynothing & @Onnabugeisha, are you cool with children being taught they're born in the wrong body and that drugs and surgery will fix them? Are you content about women on hospital wards / prisons /changing rooms being sexually assaulted by men identifying as women? Do you reckon women sportswomen should shut up about men taking their places and medals in sport? Do you support Starmer's inability to define what a woman is?
Do you reject KJK's assertion that a woman is an adult human female?

Just wondering as it's lost amidst all your stressing about KJK ?

That's certainly how I see it, and what seems logical to me.

Of course, other people (Real Feminists) take a different view. That's their right. However, it's just different views. It doesn't make KJK 'far right' if she disagrees with WPUK on that, or anything else.

It makes WPUK seem so petty, childish and sectarian that they can't cope with a woman having a different political priority to their own. Really disappointing.

Thank you Necessary for this; I hadn't seen it before. Great to see where she's started from and how far she's come, and how she's set up her studio. I was very surprised that she's 5 foot one. She's such a huge presence.

Exactly this. Take away the word woman and there will be no abortion rights anyway as women as a sex won’t exist.

Thats a bit of a straw man response. Transmen have never been denied abortions in the U.K.

The risk to abortion rights are huge right now, we always seem to follow in the dangerous paths America takes.

It was only 6 months the Tory’s rejected labours proposal to include abortion rights in the bill of rights.

And interesting how even then, four years ago, she starts with pretty much exactly the discussion we've just been having on here. She talks about how she looks gender conforming but doesn't act it, isn't nice, isn't pleasant or submissive, doesn't capitulate. And how that gets her in trouble both in and out of the women's movement (s).

Abortion rights are not in any real danger in the UK.

Unlike the US, our abortion rights are written into primary legislation and do not depend on a piece of flimsy case law which can be easily overturned.

We do not have a large, powerful religious right wing in the UK. The tories are mostly libertarians and the main religious power is CoE bishops in the HoL, who are mostly a bunch of lefties.

There are occasional private members bills and judicial reviews seeking to restrict abortion (most recently the Crowter case) but they get nowhere.

Surely the point is that we desperately need people on the left to step up and stop pandering to the TRAs. If KJK stands against Starmer, he will be forced to engage in the issue. I have no doubt he knows what a woman is but he also knows what will happen if he tells the truth. He naively thinks he can sit on the fence and be kind by saying 99.9% of being a woman is biological - or whatever he said, but he is still getting called transphobic by TRAs and being criticised by GC women too. Right now, I hope he is waking up to the fact that he has to pick a side. If KJK is talking out about this on a bigger stage, and challenging him directly, he will either need to be brave and stand up for reality or risk ridicule from the Conservatives if he says that some women have a penis.

As this level of guilt by association (Posie, at the invitation of WOLF, attended a Hands across the Aisle meeting, which was facilitated by the Heritage Foundation which gave money to the ADF)

Lol it’s guilt of being a member and collaborating with, not “by association”.

KJK is a member of Hands Across the Aisle who have raised over £10k for her legal costs and is a special advisor to WoLF. And as a member of Hands Across the Aisle she has met with the Heritage Foundation numerous times, attended panels as a participant and engaged in 3 days of politicking with WoLF in the US Congress. Heritage Foundation has funded the ADF (a hate group since 2016) and the ADF have in turn funded WoLF.