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Kellie-Jay's New Political Party

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TheBadLuckOfTeelaBrown · 07/12/2022 13:34

I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections.

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1600235830475653123?s=20&t=hhlXpo7uErB4FlkFj1nSRA

www.theotherparty.co.uk

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OldCrone · 09/12/2022 13:20

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/12/2022 12:57

Male Paedophiles and rapists are in Women's prisons because the Tory party put them there.

And the Labour Party? They have not said that they will stop this practice. Quite the opposite. They want to expand it to allow any male trans-identifying prisoner to go to a prison of his choosing.

Lisa Nandy said that male rapists and paedophiles should be allowed to choose if they want to go to a women's prison. Do you agree with her? Keir Starmer does (to my knowledge he has not condemned what she said, so we can assume he agrees with her).

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 13:21

get yourselves free. Get yourselves free.

indeed

i think women who don’t have a lot of freedom are often both fascinated and threatened by women who do, and we’ve seen that play out on this thread

get yourselves free, sisters

IcakethereforeIam · 09/12/2022 13:23

Feck, I've just realised I signed a petition trying to safeguard single sex spaces that's going to be sent to a <gasp> tory government. Can I atone for this evil? Or shall I just pragmatically decide that you do the best you can with the cards that are dealt you?

Datun · 09/12/2022 13:25

The overturning of Roe v Wade lit a bomb under women. And Posie would've been asked over, and over, why she was campaigning on gender ideology issues, and not abortion issues.

She chooses the former. Some people think they can use that as leverage. 'Set aside', does not mean sacrifice.

She is vehemently pro-choice. She has voted left-wing on her life. She includes left-wing women, right wing women, far right wing women, and fascists in her campaigning.

No one is left out.

If you don't like it, set up your own political party.

I don't understand the mindset of talking to people on here. Most women aren't in the slightest bit swayed by your smear campaigns, and the one who agrees with you won't be changing their mind, either.

You're reaching fucking no one. Absolutely no one. It's just a hate fest, because she's so popular.

I'm also loving the admission of forensically listening to all her podcasts. 😄

She's reaching people who don't even like her!

MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2022 13:28

StellaAndCrow · 09/12/2022 13:14

I will literally always love her for her interview with Adrian Harrop, even if she does eat babies and shit in my apple pie. And you can quote me on that.

"chaps like you" always makes me smile, whatever else is going on (including eating babies)

Oh my goodness this is brilliant. Somehow I had missed all this and only knew of KJK when I googled on seeing Starmer thread.

What a bloody great woman she is.

All this quibbling on this thread because she doesn’t align completely is irrelevant to me. Is anyone else who thinks she isn’t doing what they want exactly having this impact?

Standing up, speaking plainly. Showing the farce that we’re facing - a definition is offensive nonsense

What a legend.

NecessaryScene · 09/12/2022 13:39

Somehow I had missed all this and only knew of KJK when I googled on seeing Starmer thread.

Yes, I guess it's easy for we who have been around for a few years to assume that everyone knows who we're talking about. Welcome aboard!

Here's another one - one of her earliest and still one of her best:

(Is that still the same "studio" room? I imagine it is...)

WarriorN · 09/12/2022 13:40

do you also deplore Julie Bindel collaborating with Milo Yiannopoulos?

A wee point of order, and Jane fae as well at the same time.

AlisonDonut · 09/12/2022 13:41

I do campaign for single sex spaces but I will never sacrifice my other rights to get there and I will never align myself with racist MRAs of the alt right.

Can you post a link to your political party so that we can all see what a true and honest feminist looks like?

WarriorN · 09/12/2022 13:45

NecessaryScene · 09/12/2022 13:05

Once you get through all the noise, you can come up with some concrete things:

  • She's single-issue.
  • She is not campaigning on anything else, including "feminism".
  • She doesn't shun or denounce people, especially women, over anything other than this issue.
  • She has given interviews to far-right people. (She says she's more cautious about this now, and that those were due to lack of research - she doesn't need the grief.)
  • She did work with WoLF in the US, while they were working with the Heritage Foundation. She wasn't directly involved (afaik) with any of those joint ventures, except she did attend one of the panel events (as a non-participant) - she spoke eloquently about the women she met there and how desperate they were.
  • She doesn't like hijab.
  • She thinks beating gender ideology is necessary to secure any other part of women's rights (or anyone's rights), and thus disagrees with demands to prioritise anything else, as nothing is secure as long as we can't even state what a woman is.
  • She says a lot of stuff, and some of it can be very tightly cropped and misrepresented, and some people have this as a hobby.

That's the facts, as far as I've ever been able to determine them. The rest seems to be noise.

I find the fact that so much noise can be produced with so little content to be reassuring. If there was anything really there, you can be certain you'd have heard it by now.

(Much like claims about how evil TERFs are, or statements about JKR's transphobia, or the logical arguments for genderism. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but after a while and so much determined effort into seeking out evidence, the chance of there being something no-one had spotted gets increasingly slim.)

The fact we're now down to "clandestine links" with no even attempt to misrepresent something real, but to just assert with no evidence, is amusing.

Excellent post.

The main reason she's done anything with any remotely "right wing" viewed org is because the rot is in the left leaning lot. So is the no debate.

Luckily she's now able to build her own platforms.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 13:47

AlisonDonut · 09/12/2022 13:41

I do campaign for single sex spaces but I will never sacrifice my other rights to get there and I will never align myself with racist MRAs of the alt right.

Can you post a link to your political party so that we can all see what a true and honest feminist looks like?

Of course, it’s WPUK
womansplaceuk.org
womansplaceuk.org/about/

and on KJK
womansplaceuk.org/2022/06/22/womans-place-and-posie-parker/
womansplaceuk.org/2018/05/30/changes-to-cornwall-meeting/

AlisonDonut · 09/12/2022 13:49

Hi.

WPUK is not a political party.

DameMaud · 09/12/2022 13:49

LangClegsInSpace · 09/12/2022 13:13

All this talk about the US trip reminds me of Natasha Chart's excellent speech outside the HRC.

Partial transcript from 4:38:

I keep hearing that in the course of doing this very necessary public work to protect women's rights, that we are not allowed to talk to a lot of people. That there are certain people that will give us cooties or something if we talk to them.

We are not supposed to talk to people who oppose abortion.

And they don't mean the Democrats who wrote the abortion exclusions into the Affordable Care Act. They don't mean the Obama Administration which declared the Hyde Amendment a matter of 'settled law', overturning 40 years of women's activism in the Democratic Party, to try to get our leadership to suppport abortion rights.

We're told we're not supposed to talk to people who push conversion therapy and they don't mean the people on the left who are sterilising children for playing with the wrong toys, or wearing the wrong clothes, or being on the autism spectrum, or seeming like they might grow up to be gay.

They don't mean that conversion therapy.

WEe're not supposed to talk to people who oppose women's bodily autonomy and they don't mean the non-profits who sold feminism to the pimp lobby and the johns for a song.

No-one else in politics is required to play by these rules.

Organisations like the Human Rights Campaign lobby everyone in DC to ask for what they want. They show up, you can guarantee they've sent lobbyists to the Trump administration, you can guarantee they've sent lobbyists and had constituent [fly-ins?] to have people talk to republicans in congress. I can promise you that they have done these things.

They're trusted to advocate wherever they go from a deep conviction in their founding principles and they advocate for the interests of their constituents, no matter who they're talking to.

And maybe it's because these organisations are run by men and for men that they trust each other to do the right thing, no matter where they are.

But they still think that we need guardians. We need chaperones, we need to be home by 8. We need political minders.

They still want to be able to say what rights we can ask for, even as they work to erase them. Better still if they can get women, in our advocacy, to ask for more rights for men. They seem to love that.

And when we won't agree, they threaten us, they blacklist us, they demonise us, they get us fired, they stand in front of doors that they've closed to us. And they shout that if they can't have us, no-one will.

And we've all heard this before I think, and I think we're all pretty sick of it, pretty tired of hearing that from men. And I think I, and many of you, are pretty sick of having the left treat feminist politics like it's their girlfriend and they're jealous. And we're making male friends they don't approve of and they're very upset. And they want to check our phones, and they want to read our social media, and they want to find out what we're doing. And they want to stalk us, and they want to threaten us.

And I think some of us have been there before and we don't want to be there again. And we're not going to put up with it.

And to our sisters on the left - we know that you're doing important work and putting up with a lot of shouty manbabies to do it. And thank god for you. But to you, and to women everywhere: get yourselves free. Get yourselves free.

Thanks so much for this Lang.
It's WONDERFFUL!
It's real, and angry, and heartfelt. Raw and dagger-sharp. Cuts through all the doubt and turmoil and conflict and just states clearly and unequivocally what is at stake.
When women (especially those ordinary women unexposed to feminist theory), are confused by what's happening, and feel an instinctive, inarticuable discomfort with the re-definition of women and our rights- what we need is clarity and directness.
Also, to feel that the person speaking about it feels it in the way that we do.
This is what I needed to hear at the start of all this, and that's what this speech does, and to me, it's what KJK does.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 13:49

AlisonDonut · 09/12/2022 13:49

Hi.

WPUK is not a political party.

Neither is KJKs Standing For Women….yet…

MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2022 13:56

NecessaryScene · 09/12/2022 13:39

Somehow I had missed all this and only knew of KJK when I googled on seeing Starmer thread.

Yes, I guess it's easy for we who have been around for a few years to assume that everyone knows who we're talking about. Welcome aboard!

Here's another one - one of her earliest and still one of her best:

(Is that still the same "studio" room? I imagine it is...)

Thanks I had heard the name Posie on here who I assume is same, but I’m not on Twitter and started looking at FWR after.

What she’s doing is so direct and impactful it’s brilliant to see.

Re the other group linked below that’s great too - but it doesn’t have to be a competition or where the two can’t just aim for same things in different ways.

I just wouldn’t spend time eyeing each other up. It’s all good.

MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2022 14:02

The first link great. The second well it’s your prerogative but I think she’s become too big in the headspace of those who are doing a great job anyway.

Let her follow her path and you yours. It doesn’t have to be a competition on FWR too

It’s a bit like when a competitor in a sector gets under your skin, to the average punter we want both to do well and those small differences don’t really matter.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2022 14:11

This is what I needed to hear at the start of all this, and that's what this speech does, and to me, it's what KJK does.

I remember Natasha giving that speech, it was excellent.

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/12/2022 14:12

OldCrone · 09/12/2022 13:20

And the Labour Party? They have not said that they will stop this practice. Quite the opposite. They want to expand it to allow any male trans-identifying prisoner to go to a prison of his choosing.

Lisa Nandy said that male rapists and paedophiles should be allowed to choose if they want to go to a women's prison. Do you agree with her? Keir Starmer does (to my knowledge he has not condemned what she said, so we can assume he agrees with her).

The LP are irrelevant atm. They haven't been in power gor over a decade and may never be in power again. Just don't vote Tory. They caused this fucking travesty and have no intention of fixing it.

Deeds not words. The Tories gave our right to single sex spaces away. There's still more damage to come in their final 2 years.

MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2022 14:18

OldCrone · 09/12/2022 13:20

And the Labour Party? They have not said that they will stop this practice. Quite the opposite. They want to expand it to allow any male trans-identifying prisoner to go to a prison of his choosing.

Lisa Nandy said that male rapists and paedophiles should be allowed to choose if they want to go to a women's prison. Do you agree with her? Keir Starmer does (to my knowledge he has not condemned what she said, so we can assume he agrees with her).

No chance will Labour get my vote.

That’s the beauty of KJK standing against Starmer though. She’ll force him to be honest, for once. Or look bad lying.

barneshome · 09/12/2022 14:18

She will get a handful of votes

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 14:22

I’m pretty up for handing out Labour Sex Fudge on the streets of Holborn and St Pancras. I imagine it’ll be earwax flavoured

MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2022 14:23

She’ll get media attention more than votes and force the issue

Fine by me

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 14:24

MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2022 14:02

The first link great. The second well it’s your prerogative but I think she’s become too big in the headspace of those who are doing a great job anyway.

Let her follow her path and you yours. It doesn’t have to be a competition on FWR too

It’s a bit like when a competitor in a sector gets under your skin, to the average punter we want both to do well and those small differences don’t really matter.

Sorry but I don’t view being anti-feminist and aligning with MRAs and racists as “small differences”. Its not a competition but then again KJK isn’t the only option on the table for women who want to defend womens spaces.

MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2022 14:28

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 14:24

Sorry but I don’t view being anti-feminist and aligning with MRAs and racists as “small differences”. Its not a competition but then again KJK isn’t the only option on the table for women who want to defend womens spaces.

Yes I know you don’t as you’ve said.

You’ve linked to your organisation is that right? You are giving KJK too much headspace.

Just do your thing and let her do hers, no need to bring her down.

By all means be another option but a shame to invest time in undermining someone else who is for women.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/12/2022 14:34

LangClegsInSpace · 09/12/2022 13:13

All this talk about the US trip reminds me of Natasha Chart's excellent speech outside the HRC.

Partial transcript from 4:38:

I keep hearing that in the course of doing this very necessary public work to protect women's rights, that we are not allowed to talk to a lot of people. That there are certain people that will give us cooties or something if we talk to them.

We are not supposed to talk to people who oppose abortion.

And they don't mean the Democrats who wrote the abortion exclusions into the Affordable Care Act. They don't mean the Obama Administration which declared the Hyde Amendment a matter of 'settled law', overturning 40 years of women's activism in the Democratic Party, to try to get our leadership to suppport abortion rights.

We're told we're not supposed to talk to people who push conversion therapy and they don't mean the people on the left who are sterilising children for playing with the wrong toys, or wearing the wrong clothes, or being on the autism spectrum, or seeming like they might grow up to be gay.

They don't mean that conversion therapy.

WEe're not supposed to talk to people who oppose women's bodily autonomy and they don't mean the non-profits who sold feminism to the pimp lobby and the johns for a song.

No-one else in politics is required to play by these rules.

Organisations like the Human Rights Campaign lobby everyone in DC to ask for what they want. They show up, you can guarantee they've sent lobbyists to the Trump administration, you can guarantee they've sent lobbyists and had constituent [fly-ins?] to have people talk to republicans in congress. I can promise you that they have done these things.

They're trusted to advocate wherever they go from a deep conviction in their founding principles and they advocate for the interests of their constituents, no matter who they're talking to.

And maybe it's because these organisations are run by men and for men that they trust each other to do the right thing, no matter where they are.

But they still think that we need guardians. We need chaperones, we need to be home by 8. We need political minders.

They still want to be able to say what rights we can ask for, even as they work to erase them. Better still if they can get women, in our advocacy, to ask for more rights for men. They seem to love that.

And when we won't agree, they threaten us, they blacklist us, they demonise us, they get us fired, they stand in front of doors that they've closed to us. And they shout that if they can't have us, no-one will.

And we've all heard this before I think, and I think we're all pretty sick of it, pretty tired of hearing that from men. And I think I, and many of you, are pretty sick of having the left treat feminist politics like it's their girlfriend and they're jealous. And we're making male friends they don't approve of and they're very upset. And they want to check our phones, and they want to read our social media, and they want to find out what we're doing. And they want to stalk us, and they want to threaten us.

And I think some of us have been there before and we don't want to be there again. And we're not going to put up with it.

And to our sisters on the left - we know that you're doing important work and putting up with a lot of shouty manbabies to do it. And thank god for you. But to you, and to women everywhere: get yourselves free. Get yourselves free.

Such a brilliant speech. And so sad there are so many head girls / boys determined to derail effective campaigning women and women's organisations into joining their endless whingeing purity spirals. The labour party aren't listening to or respecting WPUK who appear to be in an abusive relationship with them. Can't get feminist stalls at conference, can't get the leader & senior MPs to know what a woman is, stop pushing fantasises that men can grow a cervix, stop celebrating male rapists being imprisoned with women, silent about drugs and surgery for children and gaslighting kids that they've been born in the wrong body.

Thank heavens for KJK, Sex Matters, Transgender Trend, Safe Schools Alliance, FPFW, KPSS, Conservative Women, LGBA (to name just a few) who do things & have an impact - in the courts, with sporting / governing bodies, the NHS, in schools etc.

Although shouting at babies was a novel tactic - not sure how that one went down either 🙄

WomaninBoots · 09/12/2022 14:35

Christ on a bike. Seriously, what is wrong with these people? It's hilarious! I've not really been reading any of the threads where this KJK discussion has come up before and I'm actually astounded that this is all coming from OTHER WOMEN... because you sound exactly like the TRAs!

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