Kellie-Jay's New Political Party

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I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections.

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1600235830475653123?s=20&t=hhlXpo7uErB4FlkFj1nSRA

www.theotherparty.co.uk

But you appear to be happy to sacrifice women's right to single-sex spaces in order to keep your left-wing credentials.

The Labour Party doesn't want women to have any single-sex spaces that men cannot self-identify into. Is that really the world you want your daughters to grow up in?

This isn't hypothetical. Keir Starmer is already in Parliament, along with people like Lisa Nandy and Angela Rayner and many other Labour MPs who have spoken out against women having the right to single sex spaces.

See this thread.
twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313

The argument is that KJK has stated she is willing to sacrifice our right to a legal abortion in the pursuit of her objectives. And she has.

No she hasn't, and no she hasn't.

Transcript from the video that has been posted at least twice in this thread. ⬇️

i think if it comes down to reproductive

rights for women

or the right to say who we are and what

we are

i think the latter is far more important

i think you can win reproduction rights

back

she is willing to sacrifice our right to a legal abortion

BTW, does anyone have the text that was cropped out of the screenshots above? Starting with "Once we can".

I assume she goes on to say something about her view on the best tactics for securing a right to a legal abortion in the US - ie not sacrificing it.

I think it is one nuance too far for some people to understand actually.

I think some people occasionally affect not to understand.

Arguably, you could say that the US "left" have been prepared to sacrifice the right to abortion to secure power.

They've been playing games by using the whole "Roe v Wade" mess as a campaigning tool for decades, relying on the right being insecure to say "if you let the wrong people in, that shaky constitutional legal judgment might be overturned".

They somehow never felt the need to attempt to properly secure an explicit federal legal right, as other Western countries somehow managed. Maybe I missed it...

They certainly "set it aside"...

Yep

i believe the democrats are highly culpable for the current mess (but this is a tangent and ACTUAL whataboutery)

That was to me not you @NecessaryScene !

Once they've taken away the definition of women as a sex class it won't be long until our reproductive rights start to get eroded anyway I should think. How can we defend them if every conversation gets tied upon knots just trying to find words for the groups of people concerned?

It's all ultimately about male sexual freedoms and the control of women. If taking away abortion next helps them, they'll do it. If we let them take away "woman" we'll be handing the whole lot over anyway.

They.
Don't.
Want.
Us.
To.
Have.
Anything.

The "left" keep on giving them inches. KJK says no and they hate her for it. That much is clear.

Okay! I'll lay off the fudge.

Sorry!

I want someone to battle this issue. KJK does this well.

She has what it takes to get attention and bring the issue to the fore. Brilliant

All the extra information around it on this thread doesn’t dissuade me

I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it 'information'.....'insinuation' might be more accurate.

I did write ‘noise’ initially but was being generous and changed word so are spot on with that

Male Paedophiles and rapists are in Women's prisons because the Tory party put them there.

How can women even have reproduction rights if women also means men?

Do you even understand the context here?

Because I think KJK is anti-feminist because she’s willing to sacrifice womens rights to her cause, you assume that I must of course be a left-wing member of the Labour Party.

I’m not, never have been a Labour voter. Nor am I a TRA.

I’m an actual feminist. You know a feminist that doesn’t think it is acceptable to even hint that it is worth it to give up our right to an abortion in order to protect our right to single sex spaces.

I do campaign for single sex spaces but I will never sacrifice my other rights to get there and I will never align myself with racist MRAs of the alt right.

<pats pp on head>

well done you

I presume that was the required response?

Once you get through all the noise, you can come up with some concrete things:

• She's single-issue.
• She is not campaigning on anything else, including "feminism".
• She doesn't shun or denounce people, especially women, over anything other than this issue.
• She has given interviews to far-right people. (She says she's more cautious about this now, and that those were due to lack of research - she doesn't need the grief.)
• She did work with WoLF in the US, while they were working with the Heritage Foundation. She wasn't directly involved (afaik) with any of those joint ventures, except she did attend one of the panel events (as a non-participant) - she spoke eloquently about the women she met there and how desperate they were.
• She doesn't like hijab.
• She thinks beating gender ideology is necessary to secure any other part of women's rights (or anyone's rights), and thus disagrees with demands to prioritise anything else, as nothing is secure as long as we can't even state what a woman is.
• She says a lot of stuff, and some of it can be very tightly cropped and misrepresented, and some people have this as a hobby.

That's the facts, as far as I've ever been able to determine them. The rest seems to be noise.

I find the fact that so much noise can be produced with so little content to be reassuring. If there was anything really there, you can be certain you'd have heard it by now.

(Much like claims about how evil TERFs are, or statements about JKR's transphobia, or the logical arguments for genderism. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but after a while and so much determined effort into seeking out evidence, the chance of there being something no-one had spotted gets increasingly slim.)

The fact we're now down to "clandestine links" with no even attempt to misrepresent something real, but to just assert with no evidence, is amusing.

You can’t “win reproduction rights back” without giving them up first..so yes she has.

Listen to yourself. Aside from the feminist bit (KJK says she isn't a feminist), and disregarding all the stupid insinuations, from what you say, you and she are pretty much on the same page.

I honestly don't understand why people who claim to care about women's rights waste so much energy attacking each other.

sacrifice ... give up ... sacrifice ... giving them up

Maybe the "d" key is broken, so you can't type "set aside", and have to make up your own phrasing?

All this talk about the US trip reminds me of Natasha Chart's excellent speech outside the HRC.

Partial transcript from 4:38:

I keep hearing that in the course of doing this very necessary public work to protect women's rights, that we are not allowed to talk to a lot of people. That there are certain people that will give us cooties or something if we talk to them.

We are not supposed to talk to people who oppose abortion.

And they don't mean the Democrats who wrote the abortion exclusions into the Affordable Care Act. They don't mean the Obama Administration which declared the Hyde Amendment a matter of 'settled law', overturning 40 years of women's activism in the Democratic Party, to try to get our leadership to suppport abortion rights.

We're told we're not supposed to talk to people who push conversion therapy and they don't mean the people on the left who are sterilising children for playing with the wrong toys, or wearing the wrong clothes, or being on the autism spectrum, or seeming like they might grow up to be gay.

They don't mean that conversion therapy.

WEe're not supposed to talk to people who oppose women's bodily autonomy and they don't mean the non-profits who sold feminism to the pimp lobby and the johns for a song.

No-one else in politics is required to play by these rules.

Organisations like the Human Rights Campaign lobby everyone in DC to ask for what they want. They show up, you can guarantee they've sent lobbyists to the Trump administration, you can guarantee they've sent lobbyists and had constituent [fly-ins?] to have people talk to republicans in congress. I can promise you that they have done these things.

They're trusted to advocate wherever they go from a deep conviction in their founding principles and they advocate for the interests of their constituents, no matter who they're talking to.

And maybe it's because these organisations are run by men and for men that they trust each other to do the right thing, no matter where they are.

But they still think that we need guardians. We need chaperones, we need to be home by 8. We need political minders.

They still want to be able to say what rights we can ask for, even as they work to erase them. Better still if they can get women, in our advocacy, to ask for more rights for men. They seem to love that.

And when we won't agree, they threaten us, they blacklist us, they demonise us, they get us fired, they stand in front of doors that they've closed to us. And they shout that if they can't have us, no-one will.

And we've all heard this before I think, and I think we're all pretty sick of it, pretty tired of hearing that from men. And I think I, and many of you, are pretty sick of having the left treat feminist politics like it's their girlfriend and they're jealous. And we're making male friends they don't approve of and they're very upset. And they want to check our phones, and they want to read our social media, and they want to find out what we're doing. And they want to stalk us, and they want to threaten us.

And I think some of us have been there before and we don't want to be there again. And we're not going to put up with it.

And to our sisters on the left - we know that you're doing important work and putting up with a lot of shouty manbabies to do it. And thank god for you. But to you, and to women everywhere: get yourselves free. Get yourselves free.

I will literally always love her for her interview with Adrian Harrop, even if she does eat babies and shit in my apple pie. And you can quote me on that.

"chaps like you" always makes me smile, whatever else is going on (including eating babies)

Yes, this screenshot is endlessly posted but we never find out what comes after 'Once we can ...'

I'd also very much like to know what she was replying to.