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TheBadLuckOfTeelaBrown · 2022-12-07T13:34:35+00:00

I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections. https://twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1600235830475653123?s=20&t=hhlXpo7uErB4FlkFj1nSRA https://www.theotherparty.co.uk

beastlyslumber · 09/12/2022 10:27

It's very weird to me how supposedly left wing feminists despise KJK but have no problem with Julie Bindel doing all the things that they (baselessly) accuse KJK of doing.

It's almost like they know KJK is persuasive and effective in a way that Bindel just isn't. They target KJK with their lies and purity spirals but they're not actually bright enough to work out that the only people they're discrediting and undermining are themselves.

KJK's message is easy to understand: no men in women's spaces, men aren't women, stop mutilating and abusing children. That's the message that is going to get out there to a much wider audience now. It's genius and I'm ready to support her however I can.

Namochang · 09/12/2022 10:27

I have spoken to left wing feminists like myself many times on the issue, and the overwhelming response is they see the concern but they are concerned about being on the wrong side of history.
In politics, the easiest way to avoid a question you don’t want to answer is to discredit the opposition instead. KJ will be discredited easily, ‘so you care about women, but not about their right to abortion’ ‘oh but not about black women, becuase you worked with white supremacists?’ etc. This will leave the question in many women’s minds who were on the fence, why are the wrong people on this side?
She personally is nothing to me, doesn’t get me worked up. I just don’t think this is going to end well in getting women to peak.
I think some people here have spent too long in the rad fem echo chambers with people already peaked, that they’ve forgotten it’s not themselves they need to convince.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 10:27

The thing I absolutely hate most about this ongoing shit show is how much highlights the total lack of respect politicians have for voters

they really expected to be able to look us in the eyes and say ‘these men are women because I say so’ and for us to go ‘oh, yeah, sure boss, whatever you say’

disrespectful Fuckers

I hope KJK makes Starmer look like the cowardly fuckwit he is

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 10:29

She personally is nothing to me, doesn’t get me worked up.

and yet here you still are

going on

and on

and fucking on

MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2022 10:31

People don’t have time for more complexity on this

They just want plain English and no waffle - Starmer’s version is waffle and fudging

She’ll be great

Namochang · 09/12/2022 10:32

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 10:29

She personally is nothing to me, doesn’t get me worked up.

and yet here you still are

going on

and on

and fucking on

Sorry, I thought no debate was for the other side.

Datun · 09/12/2022 10:33

Namochang · 09/12/2022 10:27

I have spoken to left wing feminists like myself many times on the issue, and the overwhelming response is they see the concern but they are concerned about being on the wrong side of history.
In politics, the easiest way to avoid a question you don’t want to answer is to discredit the opposition instead. KJ will be discredited easily, ‘so you care about women, but not about their right to abortion’ ‘oh but not about black women, becuase you worked with white supremacists?’ etc. This will leave the question in many women’s minds who were on the fence, why are the wrong people on this side?
She personally is nothing to me, doesn’t get me worked up. I just don’t think this is going to end well in getting women to peak.
I think some people here have spent too long in the rad fem echo chambers with people already peaked, that they’ve forgotten it’s not themselves they need to convince.

Why are you talking to the same people that you consider have already peaked, in that case??? It's completely ineffective and useless. What's the point?

Go and speak to the people you're trying to reach.

IcakethereforeIam · 09/12/2022 10:36

This is not just any fudge, this is Kweer Starmer's Labour Sex fudge.

Datun · 09/12/2022 10:37

In politics, the easiest way to avoid a question you don’t want to answer is to discredit the opposition instead. KJ will be discredited easily, ‘so you care about women, but not about their right to abortion’ ‘oh but not about black women, becuase you worked with white supremacists?’

But she isn't discredited easily. You can't do it, another poster hasn't been able to do it. We've had numerous attempts, none of them successful.

In fact woman after women on this thread have said they are going to give her money! You're the only person who believes this nonsense.

Not convincing a single person isn't really the definition of 'easily discredited' is it?

WarriorN · 09/12/2022 10:38

they are concerned about being on the wrong side of history.

but they're missing the point about safeguarding.

Is banning fgm the wrong side of history?

Datun · 09/12/2022 10:39

Namochang · 09/12/2022 10:32

Sorry, I thought no debate was for the other side.

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It's not a debate. It's a smear campaign.
and it's pretty rubbish. It's backfiring.

Datun · 09/12/2022 10:40

MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2022 10:31

People don’t have time for more complexity on this

They just want plain English and no waffle - Starmer’s version is waffle and fudging

She’ll be great

It is. It's that rabbit caught in the headlights look. It's involuntary, and it's a real giveaway.

HappinessAlley · 09/12/2022 10:41

@Namochang , just want to say you’re making very good reasonable points, although I don’t think you’re making much headway convincing some on this thread.

beastlyslumber · 09/12/2022 10:42

She personally is nothing to me, doesn’t get me worked up.

Hahahahahahaaha

beastlyslumber · 09/12/2022 10:45

HappinessAlley · 09/12/2022 10:41

@Namochang , just want to say you’re making very good reasonable points, although I don’t think you’re making much headway convincing some on this thread.

I mean, if you want to convince women on FWR you won't do it with obvious lies and smears that we've seen a hundred times before.

HappinessAlley · 09/12/2022 10:49

beastlyslumber · 09/12/2022 10:45

I mean, if you want to convince women on FWR you won't do it with obvious lies and smears that we've seen a hundred times before.

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... and for some, facts, it would seem.

AlisonDonut · 09/12/2022 10:50

HappinessAlley · 09/12/2022 10:41

@Namochang , just want to say you’re making very good reasonable points, although I don’t think you’re making much headway convincing some on this thread.

Convincing us of what?

You will be aware that Posie used to post on here and some even had bang up arguments on here with her. And yet we can still see, that rapists shouldn't be in women's prisons and KJK has every right to stand up and say so.

What are you convincing us of exactly? That she isn't allowed to speak to other quite legal citizens of the UK about this if they are the wrong type of citizen?

Or that the kids of right wing women aren't worth protecting from this cult and should be thrown under a bus in order to demonstrate how pure YOU are.

MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2022 10:52

HappinessAlley · 09/12/2022 10:41

@Namochang , just want to say you’re making very good reasonable points, although I don’t think you’re making much headway convincing some on this thread.

What is if you think we should be convinced of?

If it’s not leaving a mark then maybe it’s not a great argument

That’s ok not everything does

beastlyslumber · 09/12/2022 10:52

HappinessAlley · 09/12/2022 10:49

... and for some, facts, it would seem.

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Well, bring some facts and we'll see. No one's managed it yet, but who knows, you may be the first. Perhaps you had a mole at these shady "clandestine meetings" with the fascists? Definitely go ahead and provide a transcript. I'll wait.

Namochang · 09/12/2022 10:52

beastlyslumber · 09/12/2022 10:45

I mean, if you want to convince women on FWR you won't do it with obvious lies and smears that we've seen a hundred times before.

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What have I lied about?

You’ve seen page after page of evidence that she’s happy to work with these far right people.

It’s a strange tactic, if you don’t like the evidence you’re provided with, to just pretend it’s a lie. It’s something more akin to children than grown women.

Do you think by saying it’s a lie that people reading will be too stupid to read the evidence themself and will just take your good word for it instead?

I didn’t realise what a god she was on here, I thought people would atleast have honest conversation about these things and the possible impact of them rather than try and pretend it just didn’t happen.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 10:53

OldCrone · 09/12/2022 10:17

Why are you TRAs so obsessed with toilets?

What's your opinion on keeping men out of women's prisons? Do you agree with the Labour Party that paedophiles should be allowed to choose to go to a prison with a mother and baby unit?

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I’m not obsessed with toilets. KJK is so obsessed with toilets she thinks it’s more important than the right to a legal abortion.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 10:54

Datun · 09/12/2022 10:33

Why are you talking to the same people that you consider have already peaked, in that case??? It's completely ineffective and useless. What's the point?

Go and speak to the people you're trying to reach.

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She is…there are a handful of us on this thread who are waving the bunting of red flags about KJK.

dancingqueen123 · 09/12/2022 10:55

@Onnabugeisha but we have the right to a legal abortion 🤷🏻‍♀️

HappinessAlley · 09/12/2022 10:56

AlisonDonut · 09/12/2022 10:50

Convincing us of what?

You will be aware that Posie used to post on here and some even had bang up arguments on here with her. And yet we can still see, that rapists shouldn't be in women's prisons and KJK has every right to stand up and say so.

What are you convincing us of exactly? That she isn't allowed to speak to other quite legal citizens of the UK about this if they are the wrong type of citizen?

Or that the kids of right wing women aren't worth protecting from this cult and should be thrown under a bus in order to demonstrate how pure YOU are.

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No-one on this thread has argued against any of those points. Why would they?

It's a pretty simple argument really, it's been reiterated several times, and it's a moral dilemma for everyone to make their own choice. No-one is right or wrong.

beastlyslumber · 09/12/2022 10:58

What have I lied about?

You said KJK had a "shady history of working with the far right". That's an out and out lie. You accused her of having "clandestine meetings" with the far right. Also a lie.

Oh, and you said that KJK didn't bother you personally. An obvious lie.

Do you think by saying it’s a lie that people reading will be too stupid to read the evidence themself and will just take your good word for it instead?

No, I very much want people to look at the 'evidence' you bring to support your claims, because when they do, it will be obvious to them that you're lying.

Bring more evidence. Bring everything you've got. (I know you already have, and it's pitiful.)