Standing for women - Portland rally cancelled over violent threats

[ArabellaScott]

Not quite sure what's happened - seems there were credible threats to women's lives over these protests.

twitter.com/StandingforXX

Now it seems a few women went ahead and met up and were attacked. (Nobody seriously hurt as far as I can tell)

twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1585012546766966784

Hoping everyone is safe and well.

So deplore livvy’s whining posts the only mace we can see in any pics is held by a TRA.
so from the evidence so far it must have been his can that sprayed the student.

livvy?

Strange how it's nearly always women being accused of being aggresive and how it nearly always turns out not to be the case 🤔

There looks to be plenty of footage.

hopefully whatever happened can be ascertained and appropriate charge brought.

Jeanna's made a statement about that video now.

You ready for this, Livvy?

To be very clear, the man to the left of the spitter pepper sprayed me and missed. I returned, and got him in the eyes.

Statement

The man being this one.

On camera too, well done Jeanne.

I don't want anyone to be hurt, but spitting at someone is nasty.

Aha. I now know what Livvy meant. There's a different video of that 14 year old girl also spitting, but in that one no-one reacts to her.

Livvy got confused with this separate instance. Not surprising. I haven't known so many people to go around spitting in one small area since I stopped watching Match of the Day. It's a lot to untangle.

spitting 14 year old

This is a teenage girl in the sunglasses? My, they grow them big in America.

They aren't that big, there's a lot of people who are tall who were born biologically female. It's interesting that gender critical people en masse decided they were a man though, I assumed they were afab just from the video. Incidentally the people who pied the SFW activists in the earlier protest were also trans men despite it being derided as male violence - which you could say it was but only if you believe trans men are men.

It turns out not only that some people can't always tell, but that in fact some people are really bad at it.

Well as you’ve been wrong (or flat out lied) about everything else that happened @livvyposts I’ll take that With an ocean full Of salt

Yawn. Tall, big female people are these beings known as adults.

That person may be female, but if they're a teenager, that was a rough paper round they had.

The pepper sprayer has stated unequivocably that they were afab, and minors can be tall, that's no reason to assume a teenager is an adult.

Let's go ask Jeanna then. She was there. Ooh, good news, she agrees with you about female.

Not on the age though.

The "man" who spit on me was actually an adult woman, and yes, we have video footage of her admitting she's an adult just prior to her spitting at me. The first man to her left pepper sprayed me when I defended myself from her. Luckily, I'm a better shot than both of them.

twitter.com/JeannaHoch/status/1586717772704202754?t=RwGp2y-LG9FSvyQFLvHkLw&s=19

Well she would say that wouldn't she. Depending how this plays out she could be facing heavy charges, it does no harm to get mitigation in early. But I'm sure truth will out, and if the SFW activists managed to not pepper spray a child in this one incident then that does little to undermine the other reports of children being attacked.

Incidentally the people who pied the SFW activists in the earlier protest were also trans men despite it being derided as male violence

Maybe you should go and read back. It was one poster who mentioned it might have been males who through the pie. one.

The rest of us used words like ‘activists’ and talked about male violence protests in general and the threats.

You do seem to not quite be landing accurate points on this thread and seem to be attempting, unsuccessfully , to make out the women were as bad as those protesting them, usually by trumping up something like ‘she has men strutting around with guns!! When they are clearly a security team with clearly labelled stab vests and holstered pistols.

It is quite clear that the women are not, and are rarely anywhere near, as ‘bad’.

So, no. I think your attempts at ‘both sides’ has failed to be convincing at all.

And @MargaritaPie has obviously left the thread after their fucked up dismissal of violence against women and being reminded that not too long ago they posted how they had no idea what was ‘dehumanising’ in the language they have been using about women who disagree with them and were told just what the effect is.

And this thread with its dismissal of violence is exactly the issue with dehumanising women.

And pie is fully complicit in this dehumanising and dismissal.

Eh? Are you a bot? The entire world has video of the spitting and the man pepper spraying her.

And we can also see, very clearly on video, exactly how tall and fully grown the spitter was.

The spitter's pal was apparently worried enough about covid posing a risk to his health that he was wearing a mask all day outside. Meanwhile the spitter was right up in Jeanna's face, spitting at her. One rule for me, another for thee, mmm?

I'm still trying to work out what happened. The spitting incident is disgusting and totally fair enough for the woman to defend herself judging by the video. The TAs were incredibly aggressive and would be frightening for anyone to be confronted with.

There seems to be another incident of 'bear mace' being used - the 14 year old JJ Martin who, it has been suggested, has form for spitting on people.

Was pepper spray or mace used at two different events, or did this happen at the same one, does anyone know for sure? And was this the event before security men were hired?

TIA

As far as I know, all the allegations of mace, films of mace, or whatever the sprays are, were at the event in Tacoma. (ditto spitting).

After the two assaults, and police refusing to attend, SfW hired security. The security were present at Austin. There was no spraying at Austin, just shouting men walking round and round.

Chicago:

There seems to be another incident of 'bear mace' being used - the 14 year old JJ Martin who, it has been suggested, has form for spitting on people.

Where have you got this information about this girl from, please?

Probably me.

Looks like her here.

I cannot say how much I admire every one of the brave women speaking: the mother with her detransitioned daughter, onwards.

All over the aggressive racket of the TRAs.

Respect to you all.

It is quite clear that the women are not, and are rarely anywhere near, as ‘bad’.

When you say women which group do you mean? The group who have accused SFW of pepper spraying them or SFW themselves. Why is only one of these mixed sex groups women?

I thought the definition of women was based on biology according to GC lore, not based on whether you happen to agree with them.

And remind me again, which side reportedly used pepper spray on kids? Which side was accused of racial abuse and a serious assault on a 14 year old girl using chemical weapons?

twitter.com/CatsTerven/status/1586625168688181249/photo/1

This is the 14 year old who claims that she was sprayed with bear mace.

Reportedly.

Yet we have video evidence of the trans activists of varying ages spitting and of an adult using "chemical weapons" on (a much smaller) woman.

We also have the physical evidence of one attendee's severely injured hand.

I do not condone racial abuse. But I don't condone spitting, physical aggression to attendees, breaking women's fingers or men using pepper spray on women who shield themselves from being spat at, either.

Apparently you do condone the latter...

Thanks both. So we have:

1. A definite macing of a grown man who tried to spit on a woman - video footage confirms this

2. Another alleged macing of a teenage girl who also spat at the women (this is her in the video below). Evidence so far is a Facebook post by the girl.

twitter.com/CatsTerven/status/1586522911405641728?t=O2X3DqvALDiLLiKKoI4h0A&s=19

That clears that up.

Is it the same woman who is alleged to have done both?