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Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread

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TotallyTERF · 25/10/2022 18:35

I just love this woman! She undoubtedly has the Midas touch when it comes to marketing and publicity.

I have been to several of her events over the years, and she has time for each and every woman who comes to see her.

Any other fans here?

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Wellies54 · 21/01/2023 11:06

So, having failed to convince a group of people who have lived their entire lives experiencing the biological reality of girl and womanhood that we're being mean to men with tediously navel gazing gender feelz, he's flounced off feeling terribly self righteous.

Wellies54 · 21/01/2023 11:07

Forgot to say who - but I'm sure you can guess!

WackyDuck · 21/01/2023 11:10

Thanks to all for highlighting the hypocrisy and reality of ELOs "tiny number" when used in conjunction with trans v women's rights, it was hugely illuminating.

Personally, I think he had to leave the chat for fear of reaching the tip of the mountain based on that alone. Must be quite scary when the penny finally drops.

nilsmousehammer · 21/01/2023 11:13

"If you'd just speak naicely, and politely and gently in a soft voiced and ladylike way, with lots and lots of evidence that male people have proof read first, and agreed is good evidence they'll let you use, and if you're KIND and always put the male sex first but pretend that sex doesn't exist..... men might deign to pay more attention to you. And having now used women to my own agenda to my satisfaction I shall tell you in a headmasterly way that I'm disappointed in you, and leave you to reflect on your sins."

MRAing at its finest! 😂

WarriorN · 21/01/2023 11:13

Regarding rugby, transwoman Miranda Yardley asked the local rugby club men's team if they were happy for Miranda to join and they were - super inclusive!

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 21/01/2023 11:27

ExiledElsie · 21/01/2023 10:50

What was ELO's last post deleted for? I read it and sighed at the ridiculous suggestion that we haven't heard all this before, but was it genuinely too offensive to stand?

No I don't think it was really offensive. There was an awful lot of 'you think this and 'you think that' but that's pretty much all I remember

Helleofabore · 21/01/2023 11:32

Blimey!

I just read that post on the archive site.

It really did all come down to ‘kindness’, but that kindness only going towards trans people and not women and children.

The complete lack of self awareness that some people have regarding their own actions is always a surprise.

It seems that this was a poster who believes that ‘male’ is a gender identity???? Really. After all this discussion that is the first point.

After we are told constantly that no trans person denies their sex? Yet, we are reprimanded for using sex in discussions were sex is important?

But I particularly liked the ‘you are all old and going to die out soon’ and the ‘if you just used kindness you would be more palatable’.

Who are MOR bods? Anyone know?

NecessaryScene · 21/01/2023 11:35

Who are MOR bods? Anyone know?

Middle-Of-the-Road, I assume.

Now, who were the "T" in "Dear T of Mumsnet"?

NecessaryScene · 21/01/2023 11:36

Oh, "Terven"?

Helleofabore · 21/01/2023 11:50

WackyDuck · 21/01/2023 11:10

Thanks to all for highlighting the hypocrisy and reality of ELOs "tiny number" when used in conjunction with trans v women's rights, it was hugely illuminating.

Personally, I think he had to leave the chat for fear of reaching the tip of the mountain based on that alone. Must be quite scary when the penny finally drops.

I suspect that you are right.

Once the misogyny of ELO’s posts had become pointed out repeatedly on different threads, and the constant cognitive distortions they relied on to attempt to convince others, there is no where else to go.

Once it becomes clear that all you have left is guilt by association and ‘Wikipedia’ as your authority, and that you cannot understand even basic safeguarding and think that exposing children to sexual fetishes in IKEA is perfectly fine and applauded because ‘freedom to be who they are in their public life’, and you have actively minimised the plight of female prisoners and dismissed even one women’s health in sport…. there must come a time you realise you are actively harming a community you profess to support.

And when feminists suggest posters are a ‘plant’ because the poster is such a stereotypical extreme trans activist that you really are harming that community you say you belong to, it must finally sink in.

Helleofabore · 21/01/2023 11:52

NecessaryScene · 21/01/2023 11:35

Who are MOR bods? Anyone know?

Middle-Of-the-Road, I assume.

Now, who were the "T" in "Dear T of Mumsnet"?

I wondered about the ‘T’.

I initially thought it was a message to trans people who post on MN.

Quite laughably hypocritical when the flounce included so much shite about communicating clearly, isn’t it?

Datun · 21/01/2023 12:04

I'm surprised it took ELO so long to leave, to be honest. His repetitive posts have become so boring, and now even to him!

One thing I have noticed lately, is, for instance, women being aghast at certain links, etc, things which have been around for several years, and had threads about them even. Or asking for evidence of statistics.

In other words new people. Freshly shocked. A bit sceptical, but interested.

These issues, despite being a political hot potato, are still not on the radar for a lot of people. Particularly, the profound repercussions for women and children.

Most people don't bother to take any notice. Lives are busy, money is short. And it's only interesting when it directly affects them. And the nature of this ideology, is that it will spread, and spread, and it will affect more and more women and their children.

So although, here, on mumsnet, women are generally in agreement, never forget, that there are new people arriving all the time.

And tedious though it is, the painstaking refutation of posts like those of ELO, will be useful.

Showing up the really quite proud misogyny, too. The obvious enjoyment of 'messing with the wims'.

It would've been better for ELO if they hadn't been quite such a typical representative of the movement. People could just dismiss their comments as more rants from an MRA.

Put it this way, I don't imagine other transactivists are at all happy about how many women are watching one of their rep's marvellous display of misogyny.

Or maybe they are. They are masters of the own goal, after all.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2023 12:06

He'll be back. Unless MN permabans him.

beastlyslumber · 21/01/2023 12:08

Oh no I missed the flounce my chance to be educated!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/01/2023 12:15

What, another flounce? How many's that 5? 6?

Funny how so many men who hate women spend hours on here fuming and flouncing. Haven't they noticed that the rest of the world and media are full on terf now and shouting loudly about it on media sites all over the place?
Or maybe there's a certain "frisson" they get from targeting women in particular. 🤔

Helleofabore · 21/01/2023 12:16

Hang on… did we get the email back from Johansen? You know the confirmation that he was ‘platformed’ with KJK as ELO persisted in repeating over and over?

I mean, seriously, a person who prided themselves on their career in advertising using only Wikipedia as their sole source! That was sublime.

And even in Kellie Jay’s recent video she mentioned her not being able to get Wikipedia to remove the false accusations. And she said the entry was now locked didn’t she? So no one can go in and replace the wildly distorted claims…

But yeah! Wikipedia and ‘the flounce’ then talked about is relying on erroneous studies!!!

That post was certainly outstanding in many ways.

Helleofabore · 21/01/2023 12:17

us not is!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2023 12:19

Hahaha have now read ELO's flouncepost.

CorvusPurpureus · 21/01/2023 12:20

Where can we go to enjoy the flouncepost please?

Helleofabore · 21/01/2023 12:36

Archive ph with the url for the plate entered into search

nilsmousehammer · 21/01/2023 12:38

I particularly liked the anger at women refusing to see male people as anything other than male.

Yes, that would be the entire point. Sex matters in the issues women are discussing here. There is no point at which a male person stops being male and some women needing sex based services need single sex provision. On a sex based basis. That this inconveniences some males and is perceived by some as unkind to mention?

Doesn't really make those issues for females go away.

Not to mention that a male coming onto a women's rights forum to argue specifically with women who want equality of rights? Is already of the sex based opinion that one sex should always be prioritised and the other sex should always serve them. Nicely. With soft voices. And if they're very good and explain their issues very politely and kindly with the right kind of evidence then Daddy might think about listening to them.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2023 12:43

The problem with men like this, and we come across lots of them on social media and in the course of our lives, is the extent of their self belief. He's talking complete arse and is a misogynist who has never given women's concerns or needs a second thought, but he identifies as right, therefore he is.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2023 12:45

Men are socialised not to doubt themselves or be shy of treating the world to their amazing insights. Women self-censor and question themselves more. This doesn't change when a male "identifies" as a woman.

MythicalReasonableTwitterUser · 21/01/2023 13:20

This popped up on my Twitter feed- JKR posted a screenshot of yet another male publicly fantasizing about violence against women, Posie in this case.
And Standing for Women posted an audio of the same creep saying he's going to attack JKR with a big hammer.

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1616769124662906881
twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1616750201192038400

Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread
Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread
SinnerBoy · 21/01/2023 13:22

#Justbekind...