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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Appeal Tribunal hearing Thread 19

738 replies

ickky · 26/09/2022 17:24

Allison Bailey has tweeted her intention to appeal the Stonewall decision.

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1572133035335716865

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/allison-bailey-vs-stonewall-and-garden

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?
Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2
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Thread 18 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4574654-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-18

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf
Supplementary Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf
Closing Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

The Reserved Judgement (forth one down)

www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/ms-a-bailey-v-stonewall-equality-ltd-and-others-2202172-slash-2020

OP posts:
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LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 11:22

I think it's Lisa Marie from FiLiA

GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 11:23

WFTCHTJ · 14/05/2024 11:22

I think she's from FILIA?

Thank you. 👍🏻

ickky · 14/05/2024 11:24

Teams is so much better, why did they use the other one.

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GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 11:25

ickky · 14/05/2024 11:24

Teams is so much better, why did they use the other one.

Cheaper, maybe?

Couldn't be bothered to change it?

Pyjamagame · 14/05/2024 11:26

I don't think there's been any strategy. All along I think it has been reactive not proactive.

Boiledbeetle · 14/05/2024 11:27

murasaki · 14/05/2024 11:19

Good luck Allison. My emotional support cat has expressed his stress levels by vomming on the carpet. Maybe he needs an emotional support mouse.

The emotional support mouse is what he threw up if my cats are anything to go by.

GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 11:29

Pyjamagame · 14/05/2024 11:26

I don't think there's been any strategy. All along I think it has been reactive not proactive.

Sling enough mud and let their flying monkeys do the rest.

EggcornAcorn · 14/05/2024 11:30

Ok I am depending on you wims to keep us abreast of events in court today, please and thank you.

EggcornAcorn · 14/05/2024 11:31

I apparated your post, didn't I, Beetle, like magic [waves wand]

Grin
Appalonia · 14/05/2024 11:31

I didn't ask for a link to watch it as I got the impression viewers weren't welcome. Having watched the whole of the actual tribunal, if love to see this!

Any chance of an email address to request viewing?

IAmOnTheList · 14/05/2024 11:32

Is that Colin from Eastenders at the end of the back row?

EggcornAcorn · 14/05/2024 11:33

Appalonia · 14/05/2024 11:31

I didn't ask for a link to watch it as I got the impression viewers weren't welcome. Having watched the whole of the actual tribunal, if love to see this!

Any chance of an email address to request viewing?

Deadline for requesting the link expired I think last week, so this time we can't nip in under the tape.

GCITC · 14/05/2024 11:35

Appalonia · 14/05/2024 11:31

I didn't ask for a link to watch it as I got the impression viewers weren't welcome. Having watched the whole of the actual tribunal, if love to see this!

Any chance of an email address to request viewing?

Requests had to be in last week and viewers permitted by the judge.

You'll have to make do with us and TT!

Appalonia · 14/05/2024 11:36

Ok thanks!

IAmOnTheList · 14/05/2024 11:39

It’s fascinating hearing BC read out evidence from the Stonewall complaint. The language has shifted so much since the email was written.
It sounds strangely cute and niche to hear Stonewall say AB comments around self-id denies trans people to live their authentic lives

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 11:47

Break til 11:57

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 11:48

Ten minute break.

I miss the support animals.

GCITC · 14/05/2024 11:49

So the argument seems to be that the judgement decided that GCC only investigated AB because of the Stonewall complaint, as all others were dismissed. It follows that if the complainant had been anyone other than a Stonewall employee, the complaint would have been dismissed like all the others.

Therefore Stonewall used their power, position and influence to cause GCC to discriminate against AB, meaning Stonewall are complicit in the discrimination.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 14/05/2024 11:49

I hope they find some chairs for the late arrivals. Looked like they were sitting on the floor.

Boiledbeetle · 14/05/2024 11:50

EggcornAcorn · 14/05/2024 11:31

I apparated your post, didn't I, Beetle, like magic [waves wand]

Grin

You did.

As I'm not watching I'm relying on the artists sketches of the courtroom.

I'm dubious as to their accuracy though!

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Appeal Tribunal hearing Thread 19
Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Appeal Tribunal hearing Thread 19
Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Appeal Tribunal hearing Thread 19
Pyjamagame · 14/05/2024 11:52

Is anyone else just feeling the sisterhood in that room from the supporters? Women are phenomenal. We shouldn't have to be put in this situation.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 14/05/2024 11:52

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 14/05/2024 11:49

I hope they find some chairs for the late arrivals. Looked like they were sitting on the floor.

The observers are rearranging the chairs during the break.

Proves that if you get a bunch of middle aged feminists in the room, they’ll have it sorted.

GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 11:52

Is the woman sitting beside IO, the instructing solicitor who had to turn the pages for one of Stonewall's witnesses?

SK and KM kinda blur into one person, for me.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 11:53

Great isn't it? There was an immediate springing into action!