Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 16

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Its like a Shakespeare play, i think its As you like it which has lots of women pretending to be men, but as the women would have been played by men it must have been v confusing.

First mistake - Getting drawn in to a twitter spat.

Second mistake - Trying to understand their ideology.

It like pondering the infinity of space, it does not compute and hurts the brain.

infinite rabbit hole

That does not seem ok. Are alternate snacks of any kind available?
Do you perhaps (like me) share your home with a hoard of locusts who can empty cupboards like food is going out of style?

there are many "TW" who dress and act like men

and QED we've come full circle lol.

I concur that there are many TW who dress and act like men. See talking to each other is good you can ALWAYS find areas of agreement if you talk frankly and honestly.

and QED we've come full circle lol.

Literally, because the proper name for it in the ideology is "circumgender":

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Morning! Oh god it's already afternoon!

Many thanks you those (I'd name check but seriously I'm only just awake enough to make tea and not much else) that commented on my cat are kids waffle.

To update...

Buy 3am the fight at the end of the road escalated,.

My ones girlfriend who had been sat on the window sill watching the fight unfold started crying whilst His best friend leapt up from the back bed and ran out, via the window and the kitchen roof to go help. Of course by then I had no choice but to go out and sort it out!

I may have had stern words with the boys! But as it was the middle of the bloody night I stomped back off to bed in a huff.

Well one of them must have gone back out last night because as feared there was a half a takeaway dumped on the kitchen floor.

They've all had breakfast and have sloped back upstairs to sleep off the effects of lasts nights blowout!

As for the fight...well I wouldn't want to see the other one today judging by the state of mine! He's got a gash over his eye and is feeling a bit bruised I think and his best mate has a cut down his nose.

I've cleared up the left over takeaway and peace reigns again.

Having read the comments from the other post:

1. don't a lot of kids use the bedroom window to exit the house.

2. why do cats only eat the head of baby birds but all of mice (except a tiny little front paw and one internal organ, that was left as proof of death)

3. as a lot thought I was actually talking about kids does this mean (gets tearful and emotional) that I actually am a mother? I mean I feel like one after last night, so would it be OK with the actual mothers if I identify as a mother? And claim child benefit and whatever other privileged things being a mother bestows on me?

Actually...I'll answer question 3.

NO it would not be OK if I identify as a mother, I may have the requisite bits but I am not, never have been, and never will be a mother!

That is a title that I do not get to appropriate just because "I feel like a mother".

Anyways I'm off to get more tea and catch up on what everyone else wrote.

Laters

One very tired Boiled (who is not a mother)

@ImNotOnTwitterButMySupportGoldfinchTweets she was an amazing doctor (even the Queen thought so. I forget which letter combination they bestowed on her).

I get quite tearful when I think of her. She single handily made up for the years of mediocre through to down right life threatening behaviour from various other (don't shoot me it's true) male medical professionals.

They really did break the mould when they made her!

Beetle

You rock and the answer to #3why do cats only eat the head of baby birds but all of mice
Is, I think, the hollow tiny sharp birdy bones

@ImNotOnTwitterButMySupportGoldfinchTweets "I got confused and thought you were talking about kids for a second. Apart from « surprisingly casual about the fight » (and speaking as a teacher, I’ve met parents who wouldn’t care either way, so it raised a flicker of a thought, but not an eyebrow). And then I got to the end and realised"

I need to confirm your teacher special power, Had I actually been talking about real life human children, yeah I would have probably been one of those parents.

My mother was THAT parent the one that gives you that sinking pit of the stomach feeling when you look up and see they are outside your office! If I'd had kids it would have been at a point when I still hadn't realised how utterly batshit my upbringing had been!

That makes sense.

BUT why do they insist on leaving the headless corpse, 9 times out of 10, at exactly the spot on the rug where my right foot hits the floor when I go to get out of bed? I constantly feel like Victor Meldrew putting his foot in a dead hedgehog instead of his slipper.

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus well that's a lovely article to wake up to today.

Are the scales maybe finally starting to tip back to balanced?

I'd like to think so but the author, Sonia Sodha, is established as someone who has been aware of the issues for some time and it's published in the Observer so unlikely to have the readership of the Guardian.

It might be interesting to see what the spread of letters in response is.

I was going to "be Kind" and offer you my 5 remaining stale cat licked lemon fairy cakes.

However on going into the kitchen this morning I realised that for my venture out of the house at 3am I had taken a support stale cat licked lemon fairy cake with me to keep me sustained during my long and arduous trip to the end of the road.

So, I thought well I'll still offer the other 4 remaining stale cat licked lemon fairy cakes (I'm really selling these well aren't I).

Alas, in my haste at 3am to access support calories I left the bag open.

Would you like a bag of 4 stale cat licked lemon fairy cakes and 200 (full disclosure that is a guesstimate as I didn't actually line then up to count them) ants?

What was that? You're not in the mood for a snack any more? Well excuse me! I was only trying to "be Kind"

Wanders off mumbling about the lack of respect when trying to make someone do something they don't want to! Hmpffff

Which of the Barristers on the stand for Allison Bailey's trial do you think has done the most to bring the legal profession in disrepute?

Cathryn McGahey
David Renton
Maya Sikand
Judy Khan
Stephanie Harrison

And of course: Judge Michelle Brewer!

I know everyone is up in arms about Cathryn McGahey, but I'm inclined to go for Stephanie Harrison for sexxing up the Sikand report and deliberately omitting key passages of Allison's defence in order to influence the outcome of the complaint, and then withholding and telling untruths about legal disclosure during court proceedings!

@ifIwerenotanandroid "He often needs me to put him to bed: he'll get me to go upstairs with him or call me from upstairs, & I have to go up & smooth the bedcover just for him, put him on it & sit & stroke him for a bit while he settles down & gets comfy. Then he tells me I can bugger off, & I go downstairs & have 3-5 hours of blissful silence until it starts all over again"

Hate to break it to you...this is now their life! Mine is 13. I still have to so this, but I actually have to get into bed under the covers so he can use me as one massive squishy pillow. Of course I force myself to do this most days to keep him happy. It's so hard to spend 2 hours every afternoon in bed snuggled up with a cat. Sometimes I even do it with my eyes closed, whilst making little zzz noises.

Agreed, but Stonewall didn't have to play girl friday to GI, they chose to.

Which of the Barristers on the stand for Allison Bailey's trial do you think has done the most to bring the legal profession in disrepute?
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I know everyone is up in arms about Cathryn McGahey, but I'm inclined to go for Stephanie Harrison for sexxing up the Sikand report…

This is the harm of not having recordings or transcripts. It's very difficult to adjudicate between this embarrassment of harms riches as to whom it is who merits the Blacks Dictionary award for undermining public confidence in the profession (I'm riffing off the Darwin Award and shall entertain better suggestions by written submissions before June 20).

It was always going to be one set of chambers or another. It's interesting that (as explained upthread) it's Garden Court Chambers with its reputation for diversity and inclusion that is having its bungling practice management served up to the world alongside the recognition that it's not been serving the female barristers well nor developing their careers adequately.

That said, the High Priest(s)/esses and Enforcers who have spoken up for GCC. 😱If this is one of the more admirable set of chambers and set of barristers, just what are the others like?

Wow, finally caught up with these threads.

I found a pre-covid stash of Tunnocks Caramel Wafers in the cupboard at work a couple of weeks ago and just thought I'd "test" one before I chucked them out. The caramel had well and truly "gone off" in the building sense of the word and splintered like shrapnel as soon as I bit into t then turned to dust in my mouth.

@Emotionalsupportviper "Someone insisted that there are gender non-conforming trans ppl. I asked which gender they didn't conform too. Got a message back to the effect that there are many "TW" who dress and act like men (🤔) and "TM" who dress and act like women.
So it seems that there are men who feel like they are women who feel like men, and women who feel like men who feel like women . . . . . . . . 😶"

But..but..but.. still the question remains How? without falling back onto huge stereotyping do you act like a man or a woman or dress like a man or women or feel like a man or a woman?

and if you feel like the man woman man so much then what is the problem with just remaining officially as the sex you were born?.Shelley that would mean less paperwork and stress.

it's designed to confuse isn't it just to get everyone to glaze over and just go "yeah whatever just stop talking me about it! I'll sign whatever you want me to sign just stop taking about female penises and male vaginas"vaginas

I'm annoyed now! My autocorrect is horrible it let me type female penises with no problem yet every time I tried to type male vagina it changed vagina to business!!!

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus Ha!

Tbh, Cathryn McGahey is at Temple Gardens, Maya has moved to Doughty Street (where Amal Clooney practices, and Simon Cox and Adam Wagner lurk) and Michelle Brewer is now a judge, so it's not solely a Garden Court fiasco. It's obvious the Gender Ideology rot extends beyond GCC as a whole to perhaps the entire legal profession.

The Solicitors Regulation Authority is wholly captured too.

@Boiledbeetle Sounds like bliss. I, however, am dismissed once I've served my purpose. I'm allowed to make closed-eyes at him from the doorway but thats all.

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@HatefulHaberdashery

That's a Sophie's choice.

I think it has got to be Michelle Brewer. She solicited for people to complain about a fellow chamber member against her own chambers. So deluded by her ideological beliefs and seemingly willing to do anything to reinforce that ideology.

David Renton a close second for me. It is such an underhand, sneaky and malicious thing to do. Eavesdrops and takes notes and keeps them and whips them out when it would do the most damage. Nasty person.

Stephanie Harrison for her scuppering any chance of a fair investigation. Withholding evidence and tampering with the report.

I think the HoC were just busy and didn't really have a grasp of the situation and were misled by others. Very poor management.

The thing that struck me about the whole affair was the lack of any individual having any critical thinking. I thought that was bread and butter to a barrister. So they can work out all the angles for a case they are bringing, they have to look at everything to see where the holes are in their evidence.

Also if they were all so friendly, why did not one them just have a face to face meeting with Allison and ask her what was happening?

Baffled.

Maya has moved to Doughty Street (where Amal Clooney practices, and Simon Cox and Adam Wagner lurk)

tbh, this is explaining Adam Wagner's Twitter threads on these topics more. So often, he's seemed almost close to getting it but then recovers and falls back behind the injunction that women should #BeKind and remember their role as service humans to The Most Oppressed. (I paraphrase.)