Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 5

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Honestly it's making me think that DH should have been a barrister. Loves to argue, great at arguing, will happily argue the opposite side to whatever he believes just for fun. Highly competitive, likes to win. Very good memory so brings up inconvenient facts at opportune moments.

I think he'd be really good at it. To think we could have been living a life of luxury if he'd done so!

So the marketing team just do what they want? Doubtful.

Oh so it's the marketing team gone rogue

LT suggesting that tweets to the GCC twitter account (one of many) might go nowhere.

It's interesting that sometimes, when the subject is of interest to GCC, the tweets are very definitely picked up.

Yes, that’s not credible. If their own Twitter can’t be taken to demonstrate their corporate position, how can AB’s be associated with one?

He knows nothing about Twitter. This is just factually incorrect.

LT has a customisable twitter account? Is this a new Musk feature?

He seems utterly outraged that he's here at all.

One positive about LT is that he will engage with the question and be forthcoming with an answer that is an answer to what was asked. IIRC, this is a massive contrast to Mr Lue.

Can I make a point of order?

Every time Allison raised her voice, AH used it to patronise her for getting angry.

I don't think BC has done that to LT once.

I must say that this hearing and Maya's has made me think more carefully about emailing things at work.

Me too. Also don't slag off your colleagues on WhatsApp, slack etc, as it could form part of a legal disclosure if there is a discrimination claim!

He does, doesn't he? Quite telling.

Ok so this is quite interesting. So he was unaware of other issues but people appeared to be aware of Allison's?

Scrolling through Mr Thomas's followed accounts, I see that he follows the fox murderer and the Good Law Project.

No surprise there

Gosh. Listening in really gives a different dimension doesn't it? His tone of voice is quite defensive.

As if he has no understanding of how court questioning works!

This shows how brilliantly Allison handled cross examination.

There's a lot Mr Thomas doesn't know.

Is it important that MB was part of the Crime team, or the Immigration team?? 🤨

Or when her call was??

Only 200 people in chambers and he didn't know what they did? Bollocks.

Me thinks the laddie doth protest too much.

WTF is going on here - I can understand why someone would be afraid to agree with anything a barrister suggests in cross-examination but he just looks ridiculous reflexively disagreeing with everything, including the suggestion that his now-a-judge colleague was "respected and influential."

This shows how brilliantly Allison handled cross examination.

It really does. (Although I also wonder if female socialisation is a protective factor against this particular brand of petulant indignation that someone else is not automatically going to believe what you say.)

Hmm, serious issue requiring a case management conference according to IO?

A closed case management hearing at 13.50 to discuss a "very serious matter" that's come to light.

Public hearing at 14.00.