Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 4

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A
Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.
You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Witness Statement of Allison Bailey: allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf

Kirrin Medcalf's complaint to GCC: allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/PH-Bundle-pp-331-2-Stonewall-Complaint.pdf

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3?

Forget about secret training of judges relating to pronouns and gendered souls, one thing they'd really benefit from is training about how social media works, in terms of interactions between individuals and onlookers.

Yep. Guilty.

Very good points re the "complaints" which couldn't be complaints via the GCC complaints procedure because a complaint requires a name and address and the tweets were anonymous with no identifying information.

From reading the tweets I have the same worry. Between that and poking holes in her availability for work, etc this morning.

Obviously reading this thread feels different but then I have to remember we're in an echo chamber of our own making.

Are they recording, I wonder?

Checking I see that MNHQ have seen the post and looking at the issue, Jules, hope they fix it soon as it's really annoying!

Also bookmarks are not working properly.

AH has made progress with his case but this is one of his less successful sections I feel.

I haven't watched it all but in all the bits I've watched I think AB comes across as intelligent, assertive (but not aggressive), and a reasonable adult. I really fail to see how she is being cast as unreasonable, especially when compared to other behaviour on show.

In fact the compare and contrast is quite illuminating.

I'm trying to connect on my phone and also getting the blank screen. So annoying! I've been watching on my laptop all day but had to nip out for an hour and have been trying to watch on my phone to no avail. Thanks for the updates all.

Hopefully not as much of an issue in a tribunal like this as where there is a jury.

I was afraid she could be coming across as one of those people who complains but doesn’t do anything about the issue (like ‘this person reached out, you didn’t respond’, ‘you complained about this but selectively didn’t mention that’) but I am probably projecting past experience with such people!

Either way even just from tweets she seems to be storming in this part.

'They are your bundles...'

I thought it was striking that yesterday KM was trying to suggest any transpeople would have been scared to end up in a bathroom with butch, black, lesbian AB. And they say they're the progressive ones! Definitely no stereotyping of black women going on from them.

AH shouldn't be so rude when AB can't find the page when he's not even giving the correct page numbers

There was one exchange where AH said to AB not to get angry at him. I think where she said the 'don't lets mix and match' in relation to earnings at the end of one year being added to the beginning of the next. She simply replied 'I am not angry'.

It was a bit strange to appeal to her not to get angry. That is a big word. Annoyed, irritated , but angry. I was wondering what AH was trying to do. Could he have said it without guile?

The bundles are getting a kicking and AH tried to blame others. Everyone agreed they're shit.

Was it Robin White who prepared the bundles?

He is doing that a bit. EJ had to intervene once, and BC had to intervene as well.

AB having a pop at AH about the appalling bundle, said it was you who did it, AH replied it was a joint effort with IO and the EJ interjected saying it has been very difficult but not getting into it now.

Laying the bundle blame squarely at AH's door. 👏

Aside from the homphobia and racism, doesn't it argue against their demand to access female bathrooms? If they are that worried for their safety, wouldn't they be better either in the gents or a trans only option?

AH: sorry I confused you with the numbers
AB: they are your bundles AH, GCC prepared them
EJ: I concur these are extremely diffct bundles to work with

Oof.

It was a bit strange to appeal to her not to get angry. That is a big word. Annoyed, irritated , but angry. I was wondering what AH was trying to do. Could he have said it without guile?

He keeps doing things like this (applying emotion onto her when it's not warranted). I think it's a tactic. It's a bit like telling someone to "calm down" when they are already calm.

Clearly a third space should be welcomed by all.

They're not safe anywhere, that's what makes them the Most Oppressed.