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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

YogabirthUK cancel event after Freddy McConnell flounce

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WinterTrees · 28/02/2022 14:40

Saw this on twitter this morning but can't see a thread here.

Milli Hill was supposed to be appearing at an event run by YogabirthUK entitled 'Gender and Birth: A space to listen.' Milli was lined up to appear alongside Freddy McConnell and another speaker, but Freddy pulled out after the event was announced, on the grounds that Freddy could not appear 'alongside/after/in the same remote vicinity' as a birth specialist who recognises biological sex.

Full tantrum available here. twitter.com/millihill/status/1498060037536714752

The YogabirthUK Instagram link is worth looking at too. Lots of support for Milli Hill and regret about the cancellation of an event that was literally supposed to be providing 'space to listen', but the TRA input is interesting and very telling. (Spoiler alert: TRA claims MH is a disgusting transphobe for being exclusionary to transwomen when - crucially - Freddy is a transman. And excluded Freddyself.)

I am having one of those days when my patience with all this feels very thin. Very thin indeed.

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OhHolyJesus · 06/03/2022 08:14

Brava indeed. Take the role of 'mother' away from me at your peril.

There would be an army with you @vivariumvivariumsvivaria.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 06/03/2022 12:58

I'm not even joking.

Freddie might not wish to be called a mother but it is what defines me, it means I am loved in a way that is perfectly common, perfectly ordinary and totally amazing.

One person's personal, and, bemusing, crusade does not get to take away my status. I fucking earned it. It is mine and I want it.

And, while I'm at it, I'll be keeping "woman" "breastfeeding" and my single sex spaces.

Why has this one person had so much INFLUENCE?

Perhaps I'll try and little influence myself.

KittenKong · 06/03/2022 13:03

What do they call their mum? I don’t know the relationship, so don’t know if she is cool with being called Birthing Unit A.

DobbyTheHouseElk · 06/03/2022 17:46

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

If anyone tries to make me "parent 1" or "parent 2" instead of "mother" I will cause civil unrest.

Me, alone. I will be a one woman furious protest. I will show the law makers my fanny scars, my sagging tits, I will tell them about the mastitis, tit thrush, bitten boobs, infected uterus with retained placenta, the prolapse, the worry, the fear, and the fucking joy. I will tell them how my body was linked to theirs, that it responded to them before I knew it. I will tell them that I am not a "parent" of any numeration, but that I earned the title "mother" and they can take it away from me after I finish counting to "one...two..."

Me alone? No, I daresay I'll have company from all the other women who have sat up at night with a poorly infant, with the hot sticky fevers and the vomiting and the velcro baby and the learning as you go and the endless need and the endless joy.

I fucking dare you. We are legion. And we never, ever get to "three".

Fuck. Right. Off.

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Something in my eye now.
Slothtoes · 06/03/2022 18:27

That’s a brilliant post Vivarium thank you that has cheered me up.

Supersee · 06/03/2022 22:06

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

If anyone tries to make me "parent 1" or "parent 2" instead of "mother" I will cause civil unrest.

Me, alone. I will be a one woman furious protest. I will show the law makers my fanny scars, my sagging tits, I will tell them about the mastitis, tit thrush, bitten boobs, infected uterus with retained placenta, the prolapse, the worry, the fear, and the fucking joy. I will tell them how my body was linked to theirs, that it responded to them before I knew it. I will tell them that I am not a "parent" of any numeration, but that I earned the title "mother" and they can take it away from me after I finish counting to "one...two..."

Me alone? No, I daresay I'll have company from all the other women who have sat up at night with a poorly infant, with the hot sticky fevers and the vomiting and the velcro baby and the learning as you go and the endless need and the endless joy.

I fucking dare you. We are legion. And we never, ever get to "three".

Fuck. Right. Off.

I fucking love you.

DomesticatedZombie · 06/03/2022 22:17

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

If anyone tries to make me "parent 1" or "parent 2" instead of "mother" I will cause civil unrest.

Me, alone. I will be a one woman furious protest. I will show the law makers my fanny scars, my sagging tits, I will tell them about the mastitis, tit thrush, bitten boobs, infected uterus with retained placenta, the prolapse, the worry, the fear, and the fucking joy. I will tell them how my body was linked to theirs, that it responded to them before I knew it. I will tell them that I am not a "parent" of any numeration, but that I earned the title "mother" and they can take it away from me after I finish counting to "one...two..."

Me alone? No, I daresay I'll have company from all the other women who have sat up at night with a poorly infant, with the hot sticky fevers and the vomiting and the velcro baby and the learning as you go and the endless need and the endless joy.

I fucking dare you. We are legion. And we never, ever get to "three".

Fuck. Right. Off.

Thank you. Yes.
Datun · 07/03/2022 09:01

"Fuck. Right. Off."

Hell yeah.

Sleepyquest · 29/06/2022 16:28

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/03/2022 13:16

Unwisely, I just had a look at F's Instagram feed. I rarely use Instagram so find it hard to follow but happened on a mention of F using breastmilk donated by altruistic women to feed the baby. I don't imagine this is quite the scenario many of them had in mind when they chose to donate. F opted to have a double mastectomy and now blames clinicians for not pointing out the blindingly obvious fact that F is now unable to breastfeed a baby.

Where would you even start to unpick that? 'I identify as male, I have a male name now, you should use he/him pronouns for me, I am on testosterone, I am applying for a GRC, I need a double mastectomy because my body is causing me severe dysphoria'. Would you seriously expect a clinician to deduce that the first thing F would do after getting the GRC would be to hotfoot it to the fertility clinic to get pregnant, and would then expect to feed the baby from the breasts that were causing such dysphoria that they needed to be surgically removed?

I know this is an older thread but have just seen FMs post about the milk. FMs whole Instagram is just infuriating. So self obsessed and blaming everyone else for any issues FM has faced. Eurgh

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