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Jess Phillips says no constituent has ever raised this issue with her?

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Femnisaurus · 05/11/2021 09:17

So Jess says, in this live debate, this is not an issue which is ever raised by her constituents.... I find that hard to believe 🤷🏼‍♀️

Any constituents on MN?

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ChinstrapBobblehat · 05/11/2021 11:12

@YetAnotherSpartacus

"people" who have been raped. "people" who have been the victim of male violence "Katherine what's her name?" (Stock) Never been raised with her - never. Right. As well as asking if this is true it does sound like a challenge for those in Birmingham Yardley!
Aah, the ‘people’ substitution … on R4 yesterday there were two commentators (one M, one F) discussing the huge reduction in cervical cancer cases following the introduction of the HPV vaccine for girls. The female commentator did say the word ‘girls’ at least once, but otherwise for the entirety of the piece it was ‘people’. Not once was ‘woman’ or ‘women’ used. Yet the same somehow doesn’t seem to apply when discussing medical issues pertaining to men. Funny, that.

Oh, and Jess Phillips has never had any of this raised with her? My arse. She’s been proven a barefaced liar within the first two pages of this thread …

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/11/2021 11:16

Maybe someone is filtering her emails?

Does this ever actually get checked? I strongly suspect that in many cases emails about women's rights simply don't get passed onto MPs. There are definitely young misogynistic men working in politics, and the simplest way to stop women's voices being heard is to simply filter them out before they do

I wonder if it would be possible to do a breakdown of email subject matter and which ones get passed on or responded to...

TheMarzipanDildo · 05/11/2021 11:19

I understand why Jess does this, but I don’t understand how. It would tear me up inside.

TheMarzipanDildo · 05/11/2021 11:20

...and that is why I could never be a politician Grin

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 05/11/2021 11:20

And I'm sure Jess Phillips was bumped into by a mumsnetter a few years back and told them to keep going keep at it. She absolutely knows.

Yes. Shortly after she did a webchat here, another MNer & I went along to one of her book signings and I asked her about this directly. She signed my copy of the book something like ‘Keep fighting’.

CovidCorvid · 05/11/2021 11:22

I hope some of the people who know she's lying and can prove she is highlight this to the media.

digitalvertigo · 05/11/2021 11:23

Disappointed by Jess Phillips in this, as these talks are very engaging/nuanced, she could've discussed the issue in a less, to coin her, 'd*' way.
Using Yardley as a stick as if to say no-one 'normal' thinks about this issue is disingenuous aswell, as her working class constituents could be thrown under the bus at any moment by HR etc if they're unfortunate to come across any of these progressive 'luxury beliefs' in person and get any terminology wrong.
And perhaps they don't mention Kathleen Stock specifically, who knows, but I'm sure on the doorstep people signal discontent with how things are right now, political correctness and a stifling culture, which encompasses all these issues and people attach to Labour's politics, so it's very much her problem to confront and deal with!
Labour's an utter mess, Ella Whelan's great though.

ArabellaScott · 05/11/2021 11:24

@FloralBunting

I don't feel sorry for her. She stands on a platform of 'feminism' and makes quite the song and dance about reading out the names of murdered women, collected by other women for her to read, and then behaves like this when living women plead with her to address this issue?

She's a self-serving careerist who doesn't have the integrity to live up to her self-billing. She is performatively and deliberately dismissing it, because she knows that she doesn't have the courage of Duffield, and she doesn't want to be Kathleen Stock. I, and many other women, would be happy to stand with her if she did stand up, but she's not interested in that, because Brand Feminist Phillips is about what serves Phillips.

I'm not interested in supporting the career ambitions of self-centred women just because they're women. That'd be like calling Margaret Thatcher the first feminist prime minister. That's not how this works.

I'm afraid I agree.
Datun · 05/11/2021 11:28

I know who Kathleen Stock is, but if you ask me her name in a couple of hours I probably couldn't tell you. I could tell you about her case but her name probably not. I'm bad with faces as well and even worse for men with beards which is unfortunate as my husband has one.

😁

The thing is, Jess Phillips is an MP and is all about fighting for women's rights. It's her job. She should know.

ChristinaXYZ · 05/11/2021 11:35

@Langsdestiny

I dont think it was ignorant. I think it was deliberate. Or at the very least her sub conscious saying I dont give a shit about this.
Or she is frightened. I don't blame her for that. But she is still lying.
ShinyHappyPoster · 05/11/2021 11:38

Jess has been jumping about on this issue from the beginning. And I'm almost certain some constituents were on the webchat she did with MN when she wanted to be Labour leader and where she said TWAW and that she had been on the original group that suggested reforming the GRA.
Although if someone pulls her up, I guess she'll say that she was referring specifically to the issue of Kathleen Stock being hounded out of her job. Or she will say no-one has stopped her on the street about it and she didn't mean to imply she hasn't had questions on MN; emails from constituents; constituents contacting her on Twitter about it, etc.
She sits on a throne of lies.

Lottapianos · 05/11/2021 11:39

'Itshould absolutely be on her radar. She should be raising it with them for fucks sake.'

Couldn't agree more. Is she seriously suggesting that her Muslim women constituents don't care who they might bump into in public toilets, or changing rooms, or who might be doing their smear or mammogram, or looking after them while they give birth? She's hoping this issue will just go away, same as Lammy, same as Starmer and all the rest of them. Shame on the lot of them, but she is the biggest disappointment. Lammy doesn't care and doesn't know his arse from his elbow on this issue but SHE DOES. And she's prepared to be a disingenuous hypocrite for the sake of her own career and profile. I'm sick of it

PronounssheRa · 05/11/2021 11:39

The thing is, Jess Phillips is an MP and is all about fighting for women's rights. It's her job. She should know.

Unless you are the wife of a man who is transitioning, she's not that supportive of them.

Jess Phillips says no constituent has ever raised this issue with her?
ancientgran · 05/11/2021 11:40

@Datun Maybe that's why I never became an MP, it is really embarrassing at times and it isn't as if I don't care about it, I really try and people I'll see fairly regularly I make a conscious effort to keep their name in my mind but when it comes to it I frequently can't remember it.

You might laugh when I tell you my career was in HR, I could tell you dates when people started work, what their job was, I'd ask how their kids were doing in the GCSEs or A levels, if their house purchase was going through OK but I would struggle to know their name. Also hilariously I worked for a large police force for some years, I could tell you an officers collar number but not their name.

I wonder if there is a name for it? I googled it, suggestions were Alzheimers - I hope not and as I've been like it for as long as I can remember not likely. The 2nd suggestion was Anomic aphasia. Now if I could remember that I could tell people I have it but as I won't remember it I can't.

ScribblingPixie · 05/11/2021 11:45

Some women really, really want to believe that Jess Phillips is on their side and supporting them - but sadly she just isn't. She supports self ID. It's as clear as the most squeaky-clean, crystal-clear glass.

antoniawhite · 05/11/2021 11:45

Please, please don't vote Tory though because of this and because Labour are a mess. They have done so much damage, caused so many deaths and misery, and will cause more. There are other options.

PronounssheRa · 05/11/2021 11:47

@antoniawhite

Please, please don't vote Tory though because of this and because Labour are a mess. They have done so much damage, caused so many deaths and misery, and will cause more. There are other options.
What are the other options? I'm struggling to find them
Masdintle · 05/11/2021 11:47

Like what, antonia?

ancientgran · 05/11/2021 11:51

@ScribblingPixie

Some women really, really want to believe that Jess Phillips is on their side and supporting them - but sadly she just isn't. She supports self ID. It's as clear as the most squeaky-clean, crystal-clear glass.
I find her working class Brummie ID quite funny. I've read about the family coming from Smethwick, Jess was born after they moved to a rather nice area of Birmingham in a nice big detached house, definitely not in Smethwick.

I remember it well and remember her mother berating me in the street when my son passed the 11 plus, 12 months later guess where her 11 year old son was going to school. Jess also went to a very selective girls grammar.

Makes me laugh to listen to her.

Datun · 05/11/2021 11:54

@PronounssheRa

The thing is, Jess Phillips is an MP and is all about fighting for women's rights. It's her job. She should know.

Unless you are the wife of a man who is transitioning, she's not that supportive of them.

It's unforgivable. Anyone who says the spousal veto, as it is misnamed, is awful, doesn't get it.

They are believing the propaganda that it stops men from transitioning.

She's either ignorant or misleading. Which again, is bloody unforgivable in this issue.

A few years ago, I could forgive someone being relatively uninformed.

But not now.

ShinyHappyPoster · 05/11/2021 11:56

Hopefully the constituents who have raised this issue with Jess will do so again by telephone and record it.

21budgies · 05/11/2021 11:58

There is absolutely no excuse for lying. If she's lying, she's unfit to be an MP. Saying that she's received letters isn't endorsing those letters.
Those who have evidence that she is lying should photocopy it or photograph it and send it to the national and local press. I think that's very important. MPs really need to be held to account.
It's time for us to take a small amount of risk. You can ask the paper not to publish your name. You can blank out your name by cropping the photo before sending it to them.

zanahoria · 05/11/2021 12:00

Even if you are bad with names, no need to call someone "what's her name"

It is plain rude

PenguindreamsofDraco · 05/11/2021 12:05

@antoniawhite

Please, please don't vote Tory though because of this and because Labour are a mess. They have done so much damage, caused so many deaths and misery, and will cause more. There are other options.
Thanks, but I'll make my own decisions, one of which is that this absolutely encapsulates for me why I can't and won't vote Labour whilst they are in the grip of genderist ideology.
Sophoclesthefox · 05/11/2021 12:05

I simply don’t believe it’s never been raised in her constituency. It’s just not credible at all.

I am sitting here looking at the replies I have had from my Labour MP on this topic in 2018 and 2019. He said “a number” of other constituents have also raised it with him, and I know at least three women local to me have been to his surgery to talk to him about it. My husband has raised it every single time we’ve had a doorstep canvasser for the last four years. I’ve also canvassed/raised awareness on this in areas demographically similar to her constituency, and there are many women (and men) there who are politically engaged on this topic.

It’s inconceivable that no constituents have written to Jess about this, and if she had the courage of her convictions, she needs to talk to her admin staff and check, because if she hasn’t seen the correspondence, then they’ve kept it from her.

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