Jess Phillips says no constituent has ever raised this issue with her?

[Femnisaurus]

So Jess says, in this live debate, this is not an issue which is ever raised by her constituents.... I find that hard to believe 🤷🏼‍♀️

Any constituents on MN?

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I remember her mother berating me in the street when my son passed the 11 plus, 12 months later guess where her 11 year old son was going to school. Jess also went to a very selective girls grammar.

It's terrible that what works for politicians is having a 'schtick' when we are crying out for intelligent, brave, capable leaders.

Wow! Its absolutely hilarious.

And interesting to watch after last night reading Dominic Cummings recent piece on 'How Labour could win'.

I literally watched that whole minute and a half without knowing which side she was on, until the last minute when she told that lie. In a way thats an incredible skill to say so little and so much at the same time.

Its amazing really and did bring a chuckle to my day

Laugh or cry, laugh or cry!

I wonder if there is a name for it? I googled it, suggestions were Alzheimers - I hope not and as I've been like it for as long as I can remember not likely. The 2nd suggestion was Anomic aphasia. Now if I could remember that I could tell people I have it but as I won't remember it I can't.

Developmental prosopagnosia! I’ve just been reading an article about it by Jo Bartosch.

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@Skysblue

Something I’ve been pondering is this.

MPs are only allowed to respond to their own constituents. For this reason, if your write to an MP, you are supposed to put your name and address in the letter, so they can check that you are their constituent.

But, it is not safe for anyone - but especially for a woman - to raise concerns about trans ideology. Women who do so are targeted with hate campaigns from aggressive nutters who bombsrd them with pornography, threaten sexual violence and try to get them fired. This has now happened to many women.

I am scared to put my name to a letter about protecting women’s rights when I don’t know where it will end up. MPs have previously quoted their constituents by full name.

But if I don’t put my name to a letter, the MP is supposed to ignore it. They are told to ignore anonymous letters.

What to do, what to do…

You can see them in person, I think. Unless that was stopped due to COVID.

I always wonder why Jess is the preferred candidate of The Times. They're always running glowing articles about her and it makes no sense. She is , to quote a PP, a 'self-serving careerist'. They keep pretending she's the answer to Labour's problems and I cynically wonder if that's because they want to keep Labour out of power forever.

Jess has no principles, no convictions. And she's worse than Lammy because she definitely does know what a woman is and she knows the distress of women who have experienced DV and go to refuges. She knows how many women are killed each year. And yet she pretends TWAW and they're the most persecuted minority ever.

Has anyone ever looked into the funding of the Labour party round this issue? I remember when Jo Swinson forgot what a woman was, it turned out the LibDems had been given a large donation from a puberty-blocking pharma company.

She is an ambitious politician and knows what happened to Rosie Duffield. She presumably liaises with Karen Ingala Smith over the annual list from the femicide census, she knows Julie Bindel and her work. She knows, but she is an ambitious politician.

Re voting, the only thing is a mass of spoiled ballot papers and a campaign to explain why. Unless something miraculous or utterly scandalous happens then Labour are unelectable anyway.

I live in constituency of similarly ambitious and similarly silent but male MP. He is a very good constituency MP and has intervened and helped my family but he won’t be getting my vote unless he stops weasling on this.
I am very much looking forward to getting canvassers on my doorstep again. I enjoyed seeing an older green woman shuffle away from the door when I asked her what a woman was in 2019

@Skysblue

Something I’ve been pondering is this.

MPs are only allowed to respond to their own constituents. For this reason, if your write to an MP, you are supposed to put your name and address in the letter, so they can check that you are their constituent.

But, it is not safe for anyone - but especially for a woman - to raise concerns about trans ideology. Women who do so are targeted with hate campaigns from aggressive nutters who bombsrd them with pornography, threaten sexual violence and try to get them fired. This has now happened to many women.

I am scared to put my name to a letter about protecting women’s rights when I don’t know where it will end up. MPs have previously quoted their constituents by full name.

But if I don’t put my name to a letter, the MP is supposed to ignore it. They are told to ignore anonymous letters.

What to do, what to do…

I don't think that it's strictly true that they are not allowed to respond to non-constituents, is it? They have to be careful not to represent non-constituents. So JP would be in a difficult position if every single email she had received about self-ID were anonymous or from non-constituents and she then wanted to raise the issue in parliament, as she wouldn't be representing her own constituents. But it's clearly unlikely that not a single constituent has contacted her, even with a sensitive subject like self-ID.

AFAIK, there is nothing at all to prevent JP from responding to non-constituents. I have written to MPs about issues that there were interested in, as a non-constituent, and received a reply.

[quote EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn]I wonder if there is a name for it? I googled it, suggestions were Alzheimers - I hope not and as I've been like it for as long as I can remember not likely. The 2nd suggestion was Anomic aphasia. Now if I could remember that I could tell people I have it but as I won't remember it I can't.

Developmental prosopagnosia! I’ve just been reading an article about it by Jo Bartosch.

thecritic.co.uk/losing-face[/quote]
Thank you, I have to go out so haven't read the whole article but she sounds just like me. I tell you it makes some films really confusing when you mix up the goodies and the baddies. Oh for the old days when the goodies wore a white stetson and that baddies wore a black one. It was such a help.

I have raised this issue with every single canvasser and candidate for every party for the past two elections and none of them have told me that it's news to them. The Lib Dem candidate who phoned me for a personal chat told me I was disgusting for my GC views: he was a TWAW gay man and he was shockingly rude and dismissive of a lesbian constituent's views.

It think it's widely known that many MPs are having GC letters and emails quietly 'disappeared' by young, Labour-party-paid assistants. I am aware of at least one Labour MP who is GC-inclined but is very aware of being 'monitored' by their staff and is quite nervous of them.

@Shedbuilder

I have raised this issue with every single canvasser and candidate for every party for the past two elections and none of them have told me that it's news to them. The Lib Dem candidate who phoned me for a personal chat told me I was disgusting for my GC views: he was a TWAW gay man and he was shockingly rude and dismissive of a lesbian constituent's views.

It think it's widely known that many MPs are having GC letters and emails quietly 'disappeared' by young, Labour-party-paid assistants. I am aware of at least one Labour MP who is GC-inclined but is very aware of being 'monitored' by their staff and is quite nervous of them.

Mines a Tory mp and I’m pretty sure that’s happening.

@IvyTwines2

I am also utterly fucked off by the way some people unthinkingly call this a 'progressive' issue. What's progressive about pushing children back into the sort of rigid sexist stereotypes my mother's generation fought to burst out of, and telling children who don't fit the behavioural template laid out by the pink and blue toyshop aisles, 'reality tv' and porn, they're nature's mistakes and need surgically fixing? Turning young people at the most vulnerable, impressionable age into lifelong dependants on big pharma and the surgery industry in pursuit of a Tumblr-induced fiction? What's progressive about stripping women and children of safe spaces in so many areas of our lives, and even our own language? Jess should pause and think why it is that actual progressive, left-wing adults are leaving the party and polling booths in droves over this issue. It's not because we've all suddenly become right wing conservatives.

This ...absolutely this.

This is the issue with selective reality isn't it? People keep coming up with really unhelpful evidenced facts like:

Yes, I raised it with you, and here's your email reply.

She's told an obviously provable lie. Of course constituents have raised it with her.

As for forgetting Kathleen Stock's name, it's just about plausible that she could have forgotten her name, even though it's been all over newspapers, radio, tv and Twitter for the past two weeks, but a normal person's response would be to be apologetic about forgetting it, whereas she is dismissive, as if saying "this person is barely on my radar so I'm not even sure who you're talking about..." So that looks like another lie to me.

Sounds like even if Jess Phillips is having her email filtered by ideology led office staff enough people on this thread have raised it personally we know Jess Phillips is lying. She is shameful. I desperately want to vote Labour but each time I edge towards thinking one of their MPs has some merit they disappoint.

If Rosie Duffield was my mp I would continue to vote for her but she isn’t. I spoilt my ballot saying why last time, it will be that or Tory.

As an aside an ideology where office staff filter issues so they don’t get passed on to MP’s is deeply deeply suspect. MPs are the bosses for their office staff, they need to grow a backbone and deal with the office staff problem.

@antoniawhite

Please, please don't vote Tory though because of this and because Labour are a mess. They have done so much damage, caused so many deaths and misery, and will cause more. There are other options.

People should vote according to how they see fit.

I and two other women actually had a face-to-face meeting with her about this at her constituency office. We all live in the Birmingham area, but none of us were actually her constituents however.

Our initial e-mail / letter did make it past the office gatekeepers though.

She had a momentary hesitation about whether KS's name was Katherine. That doesn't seem like a particularly heinous crime.

Agree that people should vote as they see fit. But quite a few posters seem v uncomfortable about moving their vote to the Tories, so no harm in being reminded about what the Tories stand for beyond this issue.

There are other options.

Realistically, what?

People should and will vote how they choose. Personally I will not be voting for Tories through supporting them. I will however be voting in whatever way it takes to keep Labour out of power. (Or getting Green or LibDem MPs into power.) Any of those three represent an absolute disaster for me personally and for women in general, particularly lesbian women. And for child safeguarding.

Currently that means that the safest realistic bet is to vote to keep Tories in power.

@IvyTwines2

I am also utterly fucked off by the way some people unthinkingly call this a 'progressive' issue. What's progressive about pushing children back into the sort of rigid sexist stereotypes my mother's generation fought to burst out of, and telling children who don't fit the behavioural template laid out by the pink and blue toyshop aisles, 'reality tv' and porn, they're nature's mistakes and need surgically fixing? Turning young people at the most vulnerable, impressionable age into lifelong dependants on big pharma and the surgery industry in pursuit of a Tumblr-induced fiction? What's progressive about stripping women and children of safe spaces in so many areas of our lives, and even our own language? Jess should pause and think why it is that actual progressive, left-wing adults are leaving the party and polling booths in droves over this issue. It's not because we've all suddenly become right wing conservatives.

This!

The Lib Dem candidate who phoned me for a personal chat told me I was disgusting for my GC views

Great political skills there. I assume he wasn't elected?

Jess Philips initially shared Susanna Rustin’s piece about feminism - illustrated by a picture ofKathleen Stock then deleted it - which SR called her out on but got no response

@ChantillyCat

In October 2018 she said she was unable to attend the meeting, writing:

'I hope you will be pleased to hear that I have already had a parliamentary meeting with Womans Place and aware of their concerns surrounding the issue of self-identification and the impact it could have on women and girls.

I will continue to monitor this issue and will continue to ensure that the safety of woman is never jeopardised.

Please just let me know if there is anything else I can do to help'

So disappointing to find out Jess is a liar, just like most other politicians. Shouldn't be a surprise really but such a shame.

I too would love to hear more about these 'other options' because at the moment mine appear to be:
Voting for an independent candidate if there's one with half a brain.
Voting SDP if they put up a candidate round here.
Spoiling my ballot again - not something I feel good about.

I have no plans to vote Conservative but I'm not going to have a pop at anyone who does. I think people mostly make the best choice they can.

So yes, more options please.

It did appear to me (and so in my personal opinion) that JP seemed to stage a sly, performative ignorance of what this ideological, anti reality and misogynistic movement means for women; and that so unconvincing 'Katherine, is it? (See bro's, I don't even know her name)'. Possibly, to keep it all at hands length. Maybe she/he/furry doesn't want to fall foul of the bro's and will stick only to acceptable 'faux progressive' speaking out. The acceptable kind which means nothing really has to be faced. Or anything needs to be done which will make JP unpopular among the woke bros. Ersatz.

Maybe (as JP is so allergic to horrible things being said) JP could ask Lammy not to diminish a woman's reproductive system as something some old pills and a surgical tailor could knock up as identical to our physical reality. Bet he'd have something to say if it was an identity claim that impinged on his physical reality.

@FloralBunting

I don't feel sorry for her. She stands on a platform of 'feminism' and makes quite the song and dance about reading out the names of murdered women, collected by other women for her to read, and then behaves like this when living women plead with her to address this issue?

She's a self-serving careerist who doesn't have the integrity to live up to her self-billing. She is performatively and deliberately dismissing it, because she knows that she doesn't have the courage of Duffield, and she doesn't want to be Kathleen Stock. I, and many other women, would be happy to stand with her if she did stand up, but she's not interested in that, because Brand Feminist Phillips is about what serves Phillips.

I'm not interested in supporting the career ambitions of self-centred women just because they're women. That'd be like calling Margaret Thatcher the first feminist prime minister. That's not how this works.

Nothing further to add to this and sums up by own thoughts albeit in a more eloquent form.