Jess Phillips says no constituent has ever raised this issue with her?

[Femnisaurus]

So Jess says, in this live debate, this is not an issue which is ever raised by her constituents.... I find that hard to believe 🤷🏼‍♀️

Any constituents on MN?

twitter.com/intelligence2/status/1456250442925678597?s=21

Yeah, I know I'm an awful bitch for using the word cowardice about her, but every time she does this kind of thing, there's an excuse offered about why she is such a craven sell out. I'm not ignorant of the pressures women face. I face them myself. No one suggests it's easy speaking out. But she's not just keeping her head down. She's repeatedly standing as a campaigner for women, while simultaneously undermining transwidows and any number of other women, and every time she makes this kind of blustering intervention there are voices desperate for us to cut her some slack because of all the shit other women are facing down.

I'm quite content to ignore her and dismiss her self-service. I'm not content to excuse her every time she talks shit just because she's a woman MP who is a feminist. She can speak up sensibly and I'll support her, or she can talk bollocks and expect to be criticized for it. She's a grown up.

Not a constituent, but back in 2016ish another Mumsnetter and I raised this to her at an event she was speaking at. She signed copies of her book for us alluding to our feelings about it and wishing us well!

And I'm sure Jess Phillips was bumped into by a mumsnetter a few years back and told them to keep going keep at it. She absolutely knows.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about Datun, the MNer I was with posted about it.

Yes. Shortly after she did a webchat here, another MNer & I went along to one of her book signings and I asked her about this directly. She signed my copy of the book something like ‘Keep fighting’.

We did

@Epli

Sorry for the rant! :)

It was an epic rant! Nothing to disagree with there. Here we are, fighting to preserve women's rights, when some of that energy could be used to put pressure on China about the Uighurs, or think a bit harder about about plastic when doing the shopping.

Because if we don't defend our sex-based rights, we will be utterly fucked and silenced about everything else.

Also, I thought every MP had been sent a copy of Helen Joyce's book, many of them by constituents...

She absolutely knows about this issue, and she's considered a transphobe by many of the same misogynists in her party who persecute Rosie Duffield. Whatever pandering she does, it's not enough. But still she tries

@Ereshkigalangcleg

And I'm sure Jess Phillips was bumped into by a mumsnetter a few years back and told them to keep going keep at it. She absolutely knows.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about Datun, the MNer I was with posted about it.

I think the allusion was to moral cowardice. I hope that those send any abuse or threats to MP's such as DA, JP or RD can be tackled in some way. It would be great if those in parliament or even in the same party could support each other in the face of such threats. Maybe Jess Phillips could make a belated collegial gesture to Rosie Duffield, who has been so ill treated and has been subject to hostility by even those in her own party. For stating objective biological facts. Certainly as JP may have been made acutely aware (now more than ever) of the danger MP's can be in. Maybe even at this late stage, Keir Starmer could stand beside Rosie Duffield and show he stands against the vile abuse and threats to which she has subjected.

Abuse, threats and violence are dreadful. That is why many women are reacting (and being proactive) to legislation and policy which may increase the vulnerability of women and girls to harm and/or violence. I would expect MP's who are affected by that dreadful murder to be even more conscientious and vigilant to avoid making anyone more vulnerable.

That is not to say that the comfort and fairness experienced women and girls should be dismissed either.

Testing my new username just for Jess
Imo she knew exactly what she was doing, trying to pretend it isn't an issue and women are making a fuss about nothing. She looked angry at being forced to speak about women

'She looked angry at being forced to speak about women'

She did. She seems so arsey and defensive every time this issue comes up. She knows she's talking shit and gaslighting women and it probably doesn't sit well with her at all, but yet she's still prepared to do it

It's a common human trait to lash out at whoever activates your cognitive dissonance. Pretty poor form though for an MP who is communicating as an MP.

Possibly at some point. I did put her in contact with someone and I wouldn't want to jeopardise that though.

I was trying to quote and reply to a previous reply to me there. I am a GC dinosaur and not sure I manage tho.
I would go to the press possibly to say I have spoken to jp previously about GC concerns if she said no constituents had raised concerns.

I am ranting about this because we see continuation of this in the race and gender debate now (and to be fair it is happening in the US as well, it's not a UK specific thing). There is almost no debate possible, anyone even challenging even a bit the issues is sees as a second coming of Hitler and any opposition is seen as a vote for authoritarian, facist regime, which is absurd.

It's actually everything now, for the left parties. Brexit, obviously. Immigration. Trade deals. Covid and vaccines. Sex based rights. Affirmative action. Education.

It seems like in every case, if you take a different perspective or even weigh things differently, you are a moral reprobate.

What strange times when everything is binary except for biological sex, which is complicated and nuanced.

Maybe we have gone through some sort of dimensional wormhole, like StarTrek Discovery. It would explain why everything is so shit.

So that's at least 5? on this thread alone who have contacted JP about this.

She's a liar. She's calling her constituents liars too. That's how little she thinks of those in the community she represents, and women and girls, of course.

During the GRA reform consultation, I campaigned in the centre of Birmingham. Trust me, every single woman I spoke to (and their families) wanted their (and their daughters') rights, dignity and safety upheld by retaining single sex spaces and saying no to self-ID.

@FloralBunting

Yeah, I know I'm an awful bitch for using the word cowardice about her, but every time she does this kind of thing, there's an excuse offered about why she is such a craven sell out. I'm not ignorant of the pressures women face. I face them myself. No one suggests it's easy speaking out. But she's not just keeping her head down. She's repeatedly standing as a campaigner for women, while simultaneously undermining transwidows and any number of other women, and every time she makes this kind of blustering intervention there are voices desperate for us to cut her some slack because of all the shit other women are facing down.

I'm quite content to ignore her and dismiss her self-service. I'm not content to excuse her every time she talks shit just because she's a woman MP who is a feminist. She can speak up sensibly and I'll support her, or she can talk bollocks and expect to be criticized for it. She's a grown up.

She’s not a feminist if she fights to remove women’s rights.

I agree about cowardice. I think there’s power in using words accurately, and cowardice is accurate in this case.

The pressures women face are also faced by women in prisons with males or lesbians being raped and silenced by the rhetoric twaw or girls, who have no fucking say in schools making toilets mixed sex or brain washing gnc girls into serious, life altering, sometimes life ending medical treatment just because they aren’t doing girlhood right.

So I agree it’s cowardice.

It is clear what keir starmer thinks regarding this issue.

'It should not be said that only women have cervixes.' - that's a very clear position. He will introduce self ID, it will be on the next labour manifesto. That's a very clear position. Its clear what a lot of high profile labour politicians think - David lammy et Al have made their position clear.

Ones that don't tow the line suffer, very publicly.

Certainly, jess has a strong view about this because she will know all about it. But what is interesting is that she is being cagey about exactly what that is. She won't explicitly state one view or another, she just uses this avoidance technique of pretending she doesn't know about it and it does not matter.

Cowardly. If she supports her leader and his allies, say so. If she supports Rosie Duffield, say so. But look at how this politician, who prides herself on being outspoken, opinionated, silences herself.

@Norma27

I was trying to quote and reply to a previous reply to me there. I am a GC dinosaur and not sure I manage tho. I would go to the press possibly to say I have spoken to jp previously about GC concerns if she said no constituents had raised concerns.

That's great Norma. Maybe you could get in touch with Fair Play for Women or A Woman's Place for some advice? I'd have no idea how to 'go to the press' about something!

I have no idea why she gets so much admiration. Is it because she has a strong accent?

She is a fucking disgrace and has sold women out wholesale for her career.

Vichy feminism once again

'she just uses this avoidance technique of pretending she doesn't know about it and it does not matter.'

Yes indeed. And I find this, particularly the part about pretending that no one actually cares, pretty unforgivable. She's acting like she hopes it will all just go away, but she must KNOW that it won't

@Norma27

I was trying to quote and reply to a previous reply to me there. I am a GC dinosaur and not sure I manage tho. I would go to the press possibly to say I have spoken to jp previously about GC concerns if she said no constituents had raised concerns.

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If it only counts when a constituent says it, does Mumsnet need to have a 'constituents only' policy for webchats?