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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

ACLU rewrites Ruth Bader Ginsberg to remove the word “woman”

139 replies

foxgoosefinch · 23/09/2021 00:01

Unbelievable:
twitter.com/aclu/status/1439259891064004610?s=21

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TheWeeDonkey · 23/09/2021 18:46

@bigkidsdidit

The B&R paedophile episodes were terrible. Really poor analysis. And I’m a subscriber - I like them.

Anyway, derail.

Agreed,

Sorry BigKids you're right. I was just thinking two separate shows couldn't each have such bad takes. I shouldn't be surprised by anything anymore.

TheWeeDonkey · 23/09/2021 18:47

Sorry, the take was "won't someone think of the poor paedophiles, they can't help it Sad"

foxgoosefinch · 23/09/2021 18:49

I think maybe we should all start saying "transperson" -- after all, it goes with "transfolx" and so on. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, etc.

I suspect that isn't exactly what is desired, though -- since then the "validation" of "man" or "woman" is lost, and the "transperson" rendered ungendered, as it were.

I think if we all started withholding the gender validation by saying the gender neutral "transperson" instead, a large part of the attraction of replacing "women" with "people" and "person" would swiftly disappear. After all, the last thing anyone trans wants is not to be gendered at all, surely?

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Manderleyagain · 23/09/2021 19:06

I wonder if there is anyone left involved with ACLU who will be horrified by this? Or are they all fully signed up to the whole set of beliefs? It could open the eyes of a few who hadn't been able to see where it is going.

I'm horrified by this. Absolutely horrified.

lionheart · 23/09/2021 19:56

Appalling.

Cailleach1 · 23/09/2021 19:58

@CharlieParley No, he was fine. The word woman is only verboten when talking about issues connected to female biology.

So, the only acceptable use of the word 'woman' is when you are not referring to a woman.

LikeACatInTheDark · 23/09/2021 20:00

🎶Sometimes it's hard to be a (person)
Giving all your love to just one (person,)..

Stand by your (person)....🎶

TheWeeDonkey · 23/09/2021 20:04

🎵[persons] who want [persons]
Who like [persons] to be [persons]
Who do [persons] like they're [persons]
Who do [persons] like they're [persons]
Always should be someone you really love🎵

EsmaCannonball · 23/09/2021 20:51

🎵'Cause I'm a [person]
[P-E-R-S-O-N]
I'll say it again 🎵

ScreamingMeMe · 23/09/2021 20:56

[Person]! I feel like a [person]

MrsTerryPratchett · 23/09/2021 20:57

Has anyone done Shania yet?

🎶 Person I feel like a person. 🎵

Or Cat Stevens. Who is by all accounts looking for a hard-headed person.

MrsTerryPratchett · 23/09/2021 20:58

Dammit that was close!

Findwen · 23/09/2021 21:49

Whitney Houston
"I'm every [person], it's all in me.. "

Bit of the Bee Gees ?
"More than a [person]
More than a [person] to me
More than a [person]
More than a [person] to me"

Can't forget Cyndi Lauper
"[persons] just wanna have fun yeah, oh [persons] just wanna have fun"

littlbrowndog · 23/09/2021 22:07

Imagine where a women’s words are censored. Imagine a women’s words are censored by the American civil liberties union

And a dead women’s words

Where she can’t speak back

littlbrowndog · 23/09/2021 22:09

Her words

ACLU rewrites Ruth Bader Ginsberg to remove the word “woman”
NiceGerbil · 23/09/2021 22:11

Not any old woman ruth bader Ginsburg.

They couldn't have chosen a woman that would cause more outrage to do this to if they'd tried.

She's only been dead s year and this American org which apparently is all about civil rights has casually pissed all over her legacy.

Such utter disrespect for a woman who did so so much for so many years.

I just can't understand many of the things happening now. At all.

MrsTerryPratchett · 23/09/2021 22:16

And there's no need. If they think they have a better way to put the message, go right ahead. Why not write a new I Have A Dream or Ich Bin Ein Berliner if it comes to it.

Either actually quote or write your own. Don't be a wanker, misquoting a legend.

XiXimXerJinping · 23/09/2021 22:19

www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html

littlbrowndog · 23/09/2021 22:40

Can’t see your link xi

They want me to pay 🙁

Fitt · 23/09/2021 22:50

@PrincessNutella

Now that I have been educated, I know I will never be transphobic enough to say "trans woman" again. The correct term is "trans [person]."
Agree. No idea where they are spectrum/fluid(personally) so I think that's safest.
AngeloMysterioso · 23/09/2021 23:34

@334bu

The emphasis on trans rights is quite remarkable. Of the 22 tweets posted by the ACLU on 21st September, 5 were about transgender issues.
I forget where I saw it, but someone somewhere counted how many tweets ACLU posted about various issues over a certain period of time. Trans rights was in the lead by a significant margin.
AngeloMysterioso · 23/09/2021 23:47

Found it. Posted on 31st March this year-

Last 100 @ACLU tweets by topic

Immigration/Muslim ban: 8
Police reform/racial justice: 9
Voting rights: 7
Economic inequality: 3
Prison: 1
Surveillance: 2
Abortion: 3
DC Statehood: 2
ACLU fundraising: 1
Trans issues: 63

Free speech: 1
Due process: 0

twitter.com/mtracey/status/1377286476187242499?s=21

Significant margin is rather an understatement. More like a fucking landslide.

ACLU rewrites Ruth Bader Ginsberg to remove the word “woman”
MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/09/2021 23:51

Good grief AngeloMysterioso That's ridiculous given what they're meant to stand for.

NiceGerbil · 23/09/2021 23:58

This pattern replicated across loads of MPs, pundits, lgbtqi+ campaigners and orgs, the police, feminist orgs, I mean the list is endless.

It would be fascinating to watch and think how the hell did this happen. If it wasn't for the small fact that it means rights for female people, our issues etc can no longer be discussed or raised in any meaningful way. And when they are raised eg abortion USA an extremely large number of orgs etc seem to be hugely more interested in talking about wording than the actual issue.

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