What are all the liberal celebs so quiet now at the spa?

[ClarrieGrundy]

So we all knew that a man would get his cock out in front of women and little girls in a changing room at some point. And we would be told that the toddlers should just get over their bigotry.

Anyway, I was wondering why we haven't heard from all the slebs who have be parroting the TWAW line. Has anyone heard? Has anyone come out and and defended this brave penis? (Which I bet was a little bit hard as it sat exposing itself to a changing room full of women and little girls.)

Emma Watson? Sarah Silverman? Daniel Radcliffe? Why so quiet?

I listen to a few podcasts from comedians based in LA and I am always saddened to hear the casual way that LA millennials have decided that JKR is now toxic. Haven't heard anything about this yet from all of them.

Or am I being unfair?

And then everyone clapped?

@yeahbutnaw

That was one of the most disgusting parts of the video. Here is a woman asserting the right of women and girls not to have to be naked around naked men who are strangers, and that man, y'know the man who has no idea what it is like to live as a woman and to have had to deal with male sexual harassment your whole life, and to have known women who are sexually assaulted by men, as nearly all women will, and to know that these male sexual predators are bigger and stronger than you and opportunistic and entitled, this man who has NO experiential knowledge of any of this, seeks to humiliate a woman who is trying to assert boundaries for herself and other females in a vulnerable moment and that ignorant (in the real sense of the word) man sought to humilaite her by saying, ' I'm sorry you had to see a dick', and in that moment he mocked and humiliated all women who try to assert themselves and against sexually aggressive men who are pushing against their boundaries and safety, and other men laughed and clapped.

So if you thought that was a 'good' moment in the video then words fail me.

You can't defend a person that doesn't exist.

Where is your proof that they didn't exist?
Where is your proof that such a situation couldn't have happened?

I can't believe what I'm reading.

A woman has vocally spoken up about a person with a penis and testicles using the female facilities and exposing penis and testicles to women and little girls.

And there is someone here on mumsnet, in the feminist section, trying to discredit the woman who spoke up. This is exactly the same thought process we see in rape prosecutions, when the defence brings up the rape victim's sexual history!

This is disgusting.

What has this got to do with males being naked getting into hot tubs with 6 & 9 year old girls? Something you have neglected to address at all.

And will continue to avoid.

We have told you why we cannot even name the person on this board otherwise we accrue strikes. It is almost like you know this and will continue to try to taunt Datun regardless.

Yeah you'd think people would know by now, that I'm immune to taunting.

I just want people to be able to talk. To be able to say what they want to say.

It's always so enlightening.

Also, how does someone saying they "lean right of centre" turn into a confession of right wing extremism?

Unlike sex, political viewpoints are a spectrum. It's not a binary.

is visible penis and testicles acceptable in the obligatory-nude women’s spa, yes or no, yeahbut?

easy, simple question.

@2021DNA

Please don’t try to diminish the impact that having genitalia waved in your face can have. It’s incentive and disrespectful to victims. It’s happened to me an I have the right to call it assault, regardless of what people like you think
I'm not. In my post, which you quoted in full before this, I say I regard it as a sex crime. Not sure why you ignored to that to create a fiction about what I said.

Why are you expecting women and girls to make exceptions or react differently depending on who is assaulting them? Assault is a assault
Again, I'm not. I'm saying that if anyone tries to make the argument that its ok for TW to be in changing rooms, but not sexual predators, then this is a bogus argument as the women and girls there cannot possibly tell the difference, so you can't expect their reactions to differ.

I can tell by the tone of your previous messages that you are clearly making assumptions about my views on this Well you have clearly and explicitly made assumptions about mine.

How would Wi Spa implementing strict safeguarding practices to protect 6 year old and 9 year old girls and women asking for this to happen make your life harder yeahbutnaw?

Tell us exactly, not in vague notions.

And now also

Is it acceptable that a male with a penis slip into the hottub naked with 6 year old girls yeahbutnaw?

if so, why?

yeahbutnaw: There's a message poster option. By all means use it

You seriously expect Datun to message you personally?

There is no point whatsoever in providing yeah with any ‘receipts’

Other posters have made that mistake, posted loads of proof and then yeah disappeared off the thread

Hasn’t been seen on that thread since…quite funny really

But "where's the video" is a lazy deflection, not actual engagement with the core issue.

I agree. The core issue is, for me, is that no male, however they identify, whatever the status of their genitalia, and however they behave, should be given access to vulnerable women.

None. Ever.

It is a sex crime, I was flashed at a few times and had a man masturbate whilst watching me and my friends on the beach. We were 11.
We were scared. Should we have just been kind?
That was in public, not even in a safe space (like for example a female spa or changing room)

I am still confused about why yeahbutnaw wants to take a camera into an area where underaged girls are naked. I really don’t want anyone to film my children naked.

sometimes things that appear to be aimed at one person are, of course, for the benefit of the many, not the few...

@Sophoclesthefox

sometimes things that appear to be aimed at one person are, of course, for the benefit of the many, not the few...

Indeed.

Anyway, in response to the OP - has Jameela Jamil not spoken out? I'm sure I saw her post something about how awful everyone was being to all the LGBT people.

It's 2021 so of course the TRA WIspa 'truthers' are using Alex Jones' Sandy Hook false flag methodology to spread their lies and discredit women.

The other point is that ,in the videos, the employees clearly state that they are unable legally to stop male customers accessing the section where their female customers and children are naked. It is obvious , that in California ,at least, women going to spas where it is required that they,strip off, should expect that they might be confronted with naked males and that there is nothing they can do about it, with the exception of leaving the premises.

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

There is no point whatsoever in providing yeah with any ‘receipts’

Other posters have made that mistake, posted loads of proof and then yeah disappeared off the thread

Hasn’t been seen on that thread since…quite funny really

Oh yes.... I remember.

The 'random teenager' on the internet posting that the average life expectancy of a trans person was 30-35.....

But the Surrey Police posted it on the 30 June 2021. And the plethora of links to other organisations including a prominent LGBT news service posting it recently too.

And the 'many' clinicians that yeahbutnaw likes to downplay and minimise.

Credibility is pretty low there, you are right Rufus. thanks for the reminder.

It is quite interesting how many people want to deny it's happened, though. They clearly think it's awful PR.

Which I don't really get, to be honest. It is an inbuilt feature of the entire issue. It's not going away.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

I can't believe what I'm reading.

A woman has vocally spoken up about a person with a penis and testicles using the female facilities and exposing penis and testicles to women and little girls.

And there is someone here on mumsnet, in the feminist section, trying to discredit the woman who spoke up. This is exactly the same thought process we see in rape prosecutions, when the defence brings up the rape victim's sexual history!

This is disgusting.

This. This, all day long.