What are all the liberal celebs so quiet now at the spa?

[ClarrieGrundy]

So we all knew that a man would get his cock out in front of women and little girls in a changing room at some point. And we would be told that the toddlers should just get over their bigotry.

Anyway, I was wondering why we haven't heard from all the slebs who have be parroting the TWAW line. Has anyone heard? Has anyone come out and and defended this brave penis? (Which I bet was a little bit hard as it sat exposing itself to a changing room full of women and little girls.)

Emma Watson? Sarah Silverman? Daniel Radcliffe? Why so quiet?

I listen to a few podcasts from comedians based in LA and I am always saddened to hear the casual way that LA millennials have decided that JKR is now toxic. Haven't heard anything about this yet from all of them.

Or am I being unfair?

@FijiCavanaugh

Literally no one in the video was denying her claims. If I was in a changing room where nothing happened and then someone started kicking off about there being a penis on show I wouldn't be leaving the changing room with her and also asking for a refund. I'd be ignoring her or maybe supporting the staff. Everyone in the video was either supporting her or telling her Peniston

And then everyone clapped?

Because I didn't see any support for her in the video. Possible you imagined that part?

@yeahbutnaw

From the viral video woman's Instagram.

Definitely not a false flag op though, right?

What on earth are you talking about? The male bodied person responsible is now saying on Twitter that they will 'fuck you hard' in every legal way. They are admitting that they are the person.

I know you would far rather it hadn't happened because sexual predation is not a good look and I'm sure you are cringing at this person admitting it was them, because their timeline is very telling. Seriously, the memos are flying everywhere, and you're not reading them.

@Datun receipts?

Left of right is now extreme right now?

Does that mean Rory Stewart, Ken Clarke and Gordon Brown (left of right and right of left) are basically the same as Bolsonaro, Trump and Le Pen?

Why bother having words that mean things any more?

Still yeahbutnaw, i'm glad to see that there is a semblance of dismay from you, in that you are trying to de-fang what this person has done. Albeit by attempting to undermine the woman calling them out.

Presumably, you do actually see the problem involved in pretending that this person is a female, with a female penis.

@yeahbutnaw

From the viral video woman's Instagram.

Definitely not a false flag op though, right?

Shall we post some images and quotes from activists that support the inclusion of males being able to have their penises out within a metre of a 9 year old girl and get into the tub with a 6 year old girl?

Are you persisting with the 'look at who you are all aligning with' tactic?

Are you denying the graphic video evidence of a group of people who identify as females yet do things in female toilets that I can reasonably state not one 'female' does (because they don't have the anatomy to do it)?

Because supporting access to female single sex spaces means you must be fully in support of that group to be there too.

Are you denying that the side who supports males being able to be naked with penises on display has any ideas that you, personally, don't support? And we cannot even mention them here in this thread as we will be deleted.

But you are comfortable to say you are fully in support of everything they support too? Including a prominent professor's definition of a woman being someone who takes a passive role in sex and undertakes reproductive role in economic life.

Because, we can start bringing the evidence like that to the thread. Happy to. Just because this woman has some pretty hard line views on what her pastor should be preaching, doesn't mean that any person on this thread needs to agree with her on that.

We do all agree that it is a safeguarding issue to allow a male to be naked and be entering a hot tub within close proximity to either a 9 year old or a 6 year old girl.

It's a good point about those who support the MeToo movement who are also supporters of the old 'get your cock and balls out before 4 year old girls' routine.

This point struck me as I'm a fan of the My Favorite Murder podcast; very successful pod with 2 women talking about true crime. I really rate them; they are open about mental health issues and promote the idea of women trusting their gut if they are in a situation where they feel something is 'off'.

In fact, one of their catch phrases is 'Fuck politeness' in the context of; if a man is making you feel uncomfortable, don't spare his feelings to get out of the situation.

They covered the murder of a transwoman, and I thought they did it sensitively, with respect. This is a positive thing.

But then they followed it up with a quote from the (widely discredited) Chase Strangio, and some platitudes about trans people, and the announcement that they were giving a large donation to a trans supporting charity.

Now, I do not doubt for one second that they did this in good faith. I do not doubt that they thought that they would be helping marginalized individuals in need (and that's a good thing!).

But I would bet my last Wispa bar that they have not considered the fates of the women inmates of prisons who will now be houses with fully intact men. I bet being locked in prison with a sex offender with an erection would feel 'off' to a lot of women.
Or that little girls would be in the wrong becuase they did not want to see a stranger's scrotum before they turned 6.

But you can't have it both ways. You can't support the ACLU and its claims that there is no such thing as biological sex and also recognise that the vast majority of sexual assault is perpetrated by men against women. And yes, women know.

These are two women who have made a strong case for victims rights; they are on the side of the victim. But a bit of rainbow PR, lack of critical thought, and fear of being branded transphobic has brought them into line.

@Datun

Still yeahbutnaw, i'm glad to see that there is a semblance of dismay from you, in that you are trying to de-fang what this person has done. Albeit by attempting to undermine the woman calling them out.

Presumably, you do actually see the problem involved in pretending that this person is a female, with a female penis.

That's a no to the receipts then?

334bu

So yeahbutnaw you don't believe this actually happened and if it did, woman complaining is not nice anyway. Obviously you didn't watch the video and didn't see the other women milling about, obviously having vacated the women's section, nor the other women complaining and asking for their money back.
Just for information , what kind of woman is allowed to complain that a male person is naked in a section of a spa dedicated to female clients and their children? Or then again, maybe you see nothing wrong with a random male stranger getting naked in front of women and children?

Is your argument that, "even if it didn't happen, we have a right to make noise about it"?

Because that's rather... unhinged.

😂😂😂

So how about answering my questions?
Who is allowed to complain ? What credentials do they have to have?
Do you agree with allowing random naked males into areas where females are naked ?

Because that's rather... unhinged.

'Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation involving distorting the truth in order to confuse or instill doubt in another person to the point they question (their sanity or) reality.'

The 'receipts' cannot be posted here. We have learned the hard way that we cannot post images or tweets or even mention the name of people who are involved.

But, they are easy to find on twitter.

@Helleofabore

The 'receipts' cannot be posted here. We have learned the hard way that we cannot post images or tweets or even mention the name of people who are involved.

But, they are easy to find on twitter.

There's a message poster option.

By all means use it.

Because otherwise it sounds like you're just making more outlandish claims without providing any evidence.

Like the Wispa and lemon incident all over again.

How would Wi Spa implementing strict safeguarding practices to protect 6 year old and 9 year old girls and women asking for this to happen make your life harder yeahbutnaw?

Tell us exactly, not in vague notions.

I think there are a few of us waiting for an answer to this.

@SpongeBobJudgeyPants a boycott (more male centric language)

????????? The term originated during the movement of Irish peasants against unfair evictions by Anglo-Irish aristocracy. Captain Charles Boycott, land agent for Lord Erne became a central figure when Erne sought to evict numerous peasant farmers following a poor harvest which led to Boycott being left without servants or service by any local merchants.

Yeahbutnaw:

Do you think there should, or should not, be a naked male in a women's and girls' sauna?

I'm finding it hard to tell.

[quote yeahbutnaw]@JediGnot

Great to see you using the same arguments as Trump with the Skittles analogy.

www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37416457

You consistently find yourself in right-wing company. Strange that.[/quote]
Go on, try to be the first TRA in history to actually try to make a point using logic reason and evidence, instead of just throwing slurs. I can assure you that I am left wing and used to be TWAW / be nice until I realised that your side have LITERALLY ZERO in the way of compassion for women, heterosexuals and gay people, and old school transsexuals for that matter, and LITERALLY ZERO in the way of good arguments.

Watching the twisting, turning and DARVOing of someone desperate to defend an adult male indecently exposing their penis in front of a young girl is depressing.

Still can't understand how rational, intelligent and empathic adults think that's an acceptable position to argue for. Oh wait.....

@MrsOvertonsWindow

Watching the twisting, turning and DARVOing of someone desperate to defend an adult male indecently exposing their penis in front of a young girl is depressing.

Still can't understand how rational, intelligent and empathic adults think that's an acceptable position to argue for. Oh wait.....

You can't defend a person that doesn't exist.

Still waiting on those receipts @Datun. I know you're probably busy but since you're so insistent about it, I'll wait here until you're ready.

There's a message poster option.

By all means use it.

No thank you. I don't speak for the others, but I have absolutely no interest in having any contact with you that is not on this board.

Because otherwise it sounds like you're just making more outlandish claims without providing any evidence.

Not at all, I have also seen the tweets. There was a person out there who seemed to claim that it was them.

Like the Wispa and lemon incident all over again.

WTF I ask again, how does a neighbour's kid conjure up a Wi Spa franchise in someone's back yard. And now there is supposedly a fucking lemon there as well. What, on top? Is it for cocktails or a special spa scrub?

What has this got to do with males being naked getting into hot tubs with 6 & 9 year old girls? Something you have neglected to address at all.

What do you believe was the sexual assault? I watched the video and I don't recall anything about contact being made? I mean, I think it is a form of sex crime if a man enters a female only changing space and enjoys being naked there and knowing the women/ girls have to accept it and enjoys being able to see them naked whether they wish to be seen naked by him or not.

Please don’t try to diminish the impact that having genitalia waved in your face can have. It’s incentive and disrespectful to victims. It’s happened to me an I have the right to call it assault, regardless of what people like you think.

But how are the women and girls meant to know if that is what is happening or if it is a genuine TW? How can one realistically expect them to have different emotional reactions, to know whether their response is fear/ alarm/ threat/ humiliation, or to be totally ok?

Why are you expecting women and girls to make exceptions or react differently depending on who is assaulting them? Assault is a assault.

If you are a vocal and public supporter of TWAW this is EXACTLY the sort of case you need to commenting on, as this is a real life example of the implications of TWAW in all circumstances and because they say they are, and yes, those public supporters of TWAW should be entering a conversation on this and yes, it is intellectual and moral cowardice not to.

I haven’t heard any celebrities comment on this. But I don’t watch the morning shows or play on social media so I may have missed something. But I can’t see anything on the news about celebrities from either side speaking up. I don’t have much faith in celebrities upholding the morals of society anyway.

I can tell by the tone of your previous messages that you are clearly making assumptions about my views on this. I’ve played a long to answer your question but in the interest of trying to make sure MN doesn’t look like a joke I feel there is a much bigger issues to discuss than if Sarah Silverman has put out a tweet.

That's a no to the receipts then?

Haha! I genuinely find it baffling that randoms on the Internet think that I would waste my time pressing buttons on their behalf!

And also yeahbutnaw you seem to be under the erroneous impression that I think I need to convince you of something. When I self evidently don't. There's not a single person reading your posts that isn't quite clear that you believe everything we're saying! And everything that woman said. And everything that penis person has done.

You don't need persuading of anything at all. Every word you write shows that you're only too well aware that it's all horribly true.