What are all the liberal celebs so quiet now at the spa?

[ClarrieGrundy]

So we all knew that a man would get his cock out in front of women and little girls in a changing room at some point. And we would be told that the toddlers should just get over their bigotry.

Anyway, I was wondering why we haven't heard from all the slebs who have be parroting the TWAW line. Has anyone heard? Has anyone come out and and defended this brave penis? (Which I bet was a little bit hard as it sat exposing itself to a changing room full of women and little girls.)

Emma Watson? Sarah Silverman? Daniel Radcliffe? Why so quiet?

I listen to a few podcasts from comedians based in LA and I am always saddened to hear the casual way that LA millennials have decided that JKR is now toxic. Haven't heard anything about this yet from all of them.

Or am I being unfair?

The celebs are silent, because the likes of Sarah Paulson simply cannot square their support of the Me Too movement with the support of dicks out in the women's locker room and sauna. Fundamentally, how is a dick out against the will of a female actor wrong during a casting interview, but a dick out against the will of the same women in a spa OK? It has absolutely nothing to do with "transgender". If Weinstein had claimed he was a woman, would that have been ok? If he was a harmless, free spirited soul, who was just more comfortable without his trousers on, would that have been ok? No and no. He'd still have been wagging his dick in the face of an unwilling woman. It's fundamentally about boundaries, safeguarding and decency - i.e., not being subject to the genitalia of the opposite sex without your express permission, no matter what their inner soul/identity might be.

Yes, it's becoming increasingly difficult to live as an LGBT person.

I'm sure it is for those genuine people who have some level of respect for safeguarding.

We're constantly tarnished with disinformation campaigns just like this one.

Plenty of witnesses there would indicate this is not disinformation at all. A transwoman did it seems, get their cock and balls out in front of women and children. The receptionist even acknowledged that they were aware that person was there. It's unlikely a whole group of women would pile out of the area, shaking, upset and demanding their money back, for no reason at all.

And you're helping to spread them - thereby making our lives harder. Thanks.

We can't ignore behaviour that pushes women and children to ignore their boundaries and put them at risk. This is a safeguarding issue. Do you think it's ok for those with male bodies to get their junk out in front of women and children? If you don't think it's ok then why can't you say so? Or do you think the needs of male bodied adults to live their 'true' life, is more important than safeguards for women and children?

None of them meant any of that Me Too posturing.

They think they meant it, they're just not prepared to mentally 'put the work in' - as they're so fond of saying.

@ Datun It's because transwomen are women

But even if you believe that, that doesn't change the fact that letting TW into changing rooms etc, also lets in the sexual predators/ voyeurs. That's my point. That's the very fact based point based on generations of knowledge of how sexual predators operate. Everyone knows or can quickly work out that this is true. So why don't they care? And why won't they clearly articulate why they don'y care?

@yeahbutnaw

Could it be that there's no evidence that it actually happened?

That it has all of the signs of a false flag operation? A woman who has a long history of anti-LGBT rhetoric on her Instagram decided to go to a spa known for being an LGBT hotspot... just randomly?

That she complained about children being exposed but no parents came forward to complain? That she didn't have a child with her?

That she filmed the entire encounter but conveniently cuts the video off before "confronting" the trans person?

Oh yeah... manufactured outrage. Just like the Wispa.

What about the other women in the video who were complaining and asking for their money back? Surely they aren’t all in on this conspiracy that someone on Twitter has decided it is? Because let’s face it, that’s where you have got the lines you are repeating, from that person on Twitter who is complaining about this woman because she does a lot of bible quotes.

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2021DNA
Why would they come out to defend this guy? I though they were in support of trans woman not sexual predators?
But gratifying to see you implicit admission that this policy means that sexual predators can now enter spaces where women and girls are naked and vulnerable.

How do you feel about that?*

I didn’t suggest that their policy prevents male sexual predators entering women only spaces. Not sure why you think I was being implicit? I was commenting on the OP about why celebrities aren’t supporting sexual assault. I’m surprised that anyone would want someone to support men who do this.

*moreofthisagain

2021DNA
Why would they come out to defend this guy? I though they were in support of trans woman not sexual predators?
Explain to me how women and girls are supposed to tell the difference when the person enters their changing room?

Single sex spaces work to safeguard by keeping ALL men out because of the minority who are sexual predators, and because the receptionist who lets them in can't tell the difference between the good and bad people either.*

I don’t believe anyone (women, girls, men or boys) can tell who a sexual predator is. Not sure why you ask me to explain that?

My comment was in relation to the OP to explain why celebrities are not rushing to support a man who commits a sexual assault. I’m surprised you would expect anyone to defend that?

My comment was in relation to the OP to explain why celebrities are not rushing to support a man who commits a sexual assault. I’m surprised you would expect anyone to defend that?

Because if they’re so committed to the cause, they should be fully able to articulate what makes this sexual assault - or not, in the eyes of people like Laurie Penny - and not just a transwoman trying to live their best life. Should be easy, shouldn’t it? Penny managed it by saying the child shouldn’t be looking. If they think it’s sexual assault they should condemn it as such, which equally should be easy.

It’s almost as if it’s not easy to do either without looking like a apologist for sexual predators or a massive hypocrite, hence easier to say nothing.

@EvilPromPrincess

Original 90s Salem, or new Netflix Salem? I don't know anything of New Salem, but from what Netflix has been pushing lately I would assume they are a nonbinary celebrity cat. And that you're a total bigot for assuming zir's gender.

I don't want to watch anymore to find out, lasted the first few minutes, I want the old Sabrina back.

Never listening on here again about watching re-makes.

From the viral video woman's Instagram.

Definitely not a false flag op though, right?

Incredible that @yeahbutnaw is denying it happened when there were a number of women complaining at the same time and the staff defending the policy. Plus the reviews showing it happening previously in the same spa.

Presumably it is an evil feminist conspiracy long in the making.

Do you also think Yaniv and Karen White are imaginary?

@FijiCavanaugh

Incredible that *@yeahbutnaw* is denying it happened when there were a number of women complaining at the same time and the staff defending the policy. Plus the reviews showing it happening previously in the same spa.

Presumably it is an evil feminist conspiracy long in the making.

Do you also think Yaniv and Karen White are imaginary?

I'm going to need timestamps for the "number of women complaining at the same time" because that's not in the video I watched. I did see her encourage other people to ask for a refund though.

@ArabellaScott

Yes, flashing is a sort of entry level way of coercing women to participate in sex act. Red flags all over the place.

But if you believe TWAW, then transwomen are perfectly okay to use a nude female only space where children are present, yes?

And 'transitioning' or 'intending to transition' means saying one identifies as a woman. That's it. Ones genitals/facial hair has no bearing on the situation.

so:

How do we distinguish a transwoman from a flasher?

Do you have an answer, yeahbutnaw?

I was debating on reddit yesterday, and I suggested my opponent look at a Gender Critical video and tell me where the factual inaccuracies or reasoning fails were.

Interestingly all of the trans people on the video were anomolies / extreme examples. I did not get an answer to how I tell the good trans people from the bad trans people.

I went and watched another video where a trans woman spent over an hour talking about how trans women are men and that single sex spaces need protecting because you cannot change sex.

@JediGnot

Great to see you using the same arguments as Trump with the Skittles analogy.

www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37416457

You consistently find yourself in right-wing company. Strange that.

It's incredible to me that there are people who are so ardent about trans rights to the detriment of anyone else's rights, that they will quite literally defend sexual predators and deviants to further their cause. As a PP said, "it never happens and if it does, well it's not as bad as you say it is."

Apparently trans people can do no harm, and there are never sexual deviants who will happily abuse the current push for trans rights to force themselves into women and girls' spaces.

I don't buy it.

yeahbutnaw - 'Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation involving distorting the truth in order to confuse or instill doubt in another person to the point they question (their sanity or) reality.'

@yeahbutnaw

I lean right of centre. Using this as an insult doesn't wash with me in the slightest.

Lots have that opinion. I dont have to agree with everything a person says or thinks to think that they deserve the same rights to penis free spaces as other women.

I dont like Donald trump but I'm.not gonna argue that the sky is green just to avoid agreeing with him on something.

We have seen the.likes of several males post videos akd photos in.swimmimg pools, toilets, changing rooms, shelters.

We know it happens and jt didn't just have have happen.to someone we like or agree with to believe its just down right wrong

A major issue for TRA's is that they are aligned in the culture wars in the US and none of them can backtrack on anything. Therefore the chances of any resolution to the rights for women is, at least for now, not possible. This culture war is being fought be two extreme views and is dragging everyone in the reasonable camp to take sides. This is the intention. Queer and CRT theories need the dissolution of boundaries and laws, it is part of the cause. One these theories start to be tested out in material reality, they collapse. As wider society becomes aware, more pushback will happen. My fear is that it will detrimentally affect the LGBT community. I want protection of women's rights. I do not want discrimination of LGBT community to return.

So yeahbutnaw you don't believe this actually happened and if it did, woman complaining is not nice anyway. Obviously you didn't watch the video and didn't see the other women milling about, obviously having vacated the women's section, nor the other women complaining and asking for their money back.
Just for information , what kind of woman is allowed to complain that a male person is naked in a section of a spa dedicated to female clients and their children? Or then again, maybe you see nothing wrong with a random male stranger getting naked in front of women and children?

Literally no one in the video was denying her claims. If I was in a changing room where nothing happened and then someone started kicking off about there being a penis on show I wouldn't be leaving the changing room with her and also asking for a refund. I'd be ignoring her or maybe supporting the staff. Everyone in the video was either supporting her or telling her Peniston

*Penis in the changing room was just fine and dandy.

I was commenting on the OP about why celebrities aren’t supporting sexual assault. I’m surprised that anyone would want someone to support men who do this...My comment was in relation to the OP to explain why celebrities are not rushing to support a man who commits a sexual assault. I’m surprised you would expect anyone to defend that? @2021DNA

What do you believe was the sexual assault? I watched the video and I don't recall anything about contact being made? I mean, I think it is a form of sex crime if a man enters a female only changing space and enjoys being naked there and knowing the women/ girls have to accept it and enjoys being able to see them naked whether they wish to be seen naked by him or not.

But how are the women and girls meant to know if that is what is happening or if it is a genuine TW? How can one realistically expect them to have different emotional reactions, to know whether their response is fear/ alarm/ threat/ humiliation, or to be totally ok?

If you are a vocal and public supporter of TWAW this is EXACTLY the sort of case you need to commenting on, as this is a real life example of the implications of TWAW in all circumstances and because they say they are, and yes, those public supporters of TWAW should be entering a conversation on this and yes, it is intellectual and moral cowardice not to.