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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pushback at Wi Spa in Los Angeles

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FannyCann · 27/06/2021 11:14

Well it's all kicking off at the spa. An amazing woman behind the desk standing up for women and telling a man where to take his penis. I fear she will lose her job over this but it's a glorious way to go.

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FloralBunting · 06/07/2021 14:21

You know what I think? I am sick of seeing male genitals referenced, whether to lionize or critique.

The problem with men is not their genitals. Their reproductive organs form part of their risk profile, but we do not bar men from single sex spaces because they might show them, or indeed because they possess an appendage.

We have to move away from this relentless focus on the most over rated bit of skin on the planet.

Men are a statistical risk factor as a class, and predatory men do not need to be intact to be predatory. It is an extra weapon in their arsenal, but they also possess fingers, fists and generally stronger physiques with which to harm. They have eyes which disregard and transgress boundaries. They have minds full of the pornography they consume at terrifying rates. And they use their words, influence and privilege to tear down the rights and protections of women who are then left vulnerable to those of their number who will use their genitals to harm.

We have to move this away from the idea that we are trying to fend off the penis, and we're only concerned about the flashers and perverts.

We're not, and it doesn't matter anyway, because it's very clear from the reaction to this shit that the overton window has shifted so that enough people think indecent exposure is a neutral act.

Please, can we shove it back. Because most of the men who are defending this wouldn't actually reveal their genitalia in public, but they are using every other means possible to subjugate and oppress women and children.

Let's relegate the dick back to the unimpressive lump of irrelevance it really should be in the grand scheme, and elevate the importance of a woman's No.

Siblingquandary · 06/07/2021 14:25

the most over rated bit of skin on the planet.

Omg that's such a fantastic collection of words, brava!

Siblingquandary · 06/07/2021 14:26

And the rest of the post was great too btw

Datun · 06/07/2021 14:31

@FloralBunting

You know what I think? I am sick of seeing male genitals referenced, whether to lionize or critique.

The problem with men is not their genitals. Their reproductive organs form part of their risk profile, but we do not bar men from single sex spaces because they might show them, or indeed because they possess an appendage.

We have to move away from this relentless focus on the most over rated bit of skin on the planet.

Men are a statistical risk factor as a class, and predatory men do not need to be intact to be predatory. It is an extra weapon in their arsenal, but they also possess fingers, fists and generally stronger physiques with which to harm. They have eyes which disregard and transgress boundaries. They have minds full of the pornography they consume at terrifying rates. And they use their words, influence and privilege to tear down the rights and protections of women who are then left vulnerable to those of their number who will use their genitals to harm.

We have to move this away from the idea that we are trying to fend off the penis, and we're only concerned about the flashers and perverts.

We're not, and it doesn't matter anyway, because it's very clear from the reaction to this shit that the overton window has shifted so that enough people think indecent exposure is a neutral act.

Please, can we shove it back. Because most of the men who are defending this wouldn't actually reveal their genitalia in public, but they are using every other means possible to subjugate and oppress women and children.

Let's relegate the dick back to the unimpressive lump of irrelevance it really should be in the grand scheme, and elevate the importance of a woman's No.

Very insightful post.

Yes, it's male pattern behaviour and male pattern offending which is the problem.

And the male in question started violating women's boundaries the minute the entitlement to a women only space was expressed.

Walking into that space is the escalation. Getting naked is the zenith.

And anyone who supports it is treating women like sub humans. Not even support humans.

Just dirt.

namechangeforobviousreasons82 · 06/07/2021 15:00

@FloralBunting Because most of the men who are defending this wouldn't actually reveal their genitalia in public, but they are using every other means possible to subjugate and oppress women and children.

Very true. My XH is in full support of TRAs, including on this issue. He is kind and compassionate and I have been taken in by right-wingers. He was an extremely violent husband, viciously physically attacking me repeatedly through our marriage and regularly strangling me.

RedDogsBeg · 06/07/2021 15:25

Yes, it's male pattern behaviour and male pattern offending which is the problem.

And the male in question started violating women's boundaries the minute the entitlement to a women only space was expressed.

Walking into that space is the escalation. Getting naked is the zenith.

And anyone who supports it is treating women like sub humans. Not even support humans.

Just dirt.

That male was loving the power he had over the women and girls, absolutely fucking loving it knowing they could do nothing about it.

Datun · 06/07/2021 15:57

That male was loving the power he had over the women and girls, absolutely fucking loving it knowing they could do nothing about it.

Yep. How quick that bloke in reception was to support him.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2021 16:49

My XH is in full support of TRAs, including on this issue. He is kind and compassionate and I have been taken in by right-wingers. He was an extremely violent husband, viciously physically attacking me repeatedly through our marriage and regularly strangling me.

Thanks
Delphinium20 · 06/07/2021 16:55

@FloralBunting

You know what I think? I am sick of seeing male genitals referenced, whether to lionize or critique.

The problem with men is not their genitals. Their reproductive organs form part of their risk profile, but we do not bar men from single sex spaces because they might show them, or indeed because they possess an appendage.

We have to move away from this relentless focus on the most over rated bit of skin on the planet.

Men are a statistical risk factor as a class, and predatory men do not need to be intact to be predatory. It is an extra weapon in their arsenal, but they also possess fingers, fists and generally stronger physiques with which to harm. They have eyes which disregard and transgress boundaries. They have minds full of the pornography they consume at terrifying rates. And they use their words, influence and privilege to tear down the rights and protections of women who are then left vulnerable to those of their number who will use their genitals to harm.

We have to move this away from the idea that we are trying to fend off the penis, and we're only concerned about the flashers and perverts.

We're not, and it doesn't matter anyway, because it's very clear from the reaction to this shit that the overton window has shifted so that enough people think indecent exposure is a neutral act.

Please, can we shove it back. Because most of the men who are defending this wouldn't actually reveal their genitalia in public, but they are using every other means possible to subjugate and oppress women and children.

Let's relegate the dick back to the unimpressive lump of irrelevance it really should be in the grand scheme, and elevate the importance of a woman's No.

Yes! It's not "the penis" it's men as a class.

Brilliant post!

jeaux90 · 06/07/2021 17:04

Unfortunately I think the whole penis issue is something the media is rather stuck on. I just listened to a 30 minute rant by India Willoughby on Talk Radio (about 2.25 this afternoon) and most of the segment was about male genitalia, that being a woman was a hormone level and that radical feminists are assholes basically. The whole true trans thing and of course toilets and trans people being persecuted like the Jewish people were. It was just excruciating, offensive and focussed too much on physical status rather than the actual issue.

Women and girls want and need our own spaces.

Olderbadger1 · 06/07/2021 17:10

FloralBunting
I hereby award you Post of the Month (possibly the year).

Flowers
NiceGerbil · 06/07/2021 17:56

Can anyone imagine talking about female genitalia left right and centre would be so comfortable.

NiceGerbil · 06/07/2021 17:56

Ours have always been more unmentionable.

Hence flower etc etc

Siblingquandary · 06/07/2021 18:02

@NiceGerbil

Ours have always been more unmentionable.

Hence flower etc etc

Or - gag - front bottom
littlbrowndog · 06/07/2021 18:29

It is about men and power.

They no they can go where they want and do what they want and some men love this

Great post floral

TheWeeDonkey · 06/07/2021 19:01

Well said Floral

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 06/07/2021 19:28

Great post Floral, it's men. It is 💯 men. But at least we had reached a consensus that men getting their dicks out in front of little girls was bad and not the little girl's fault for looking. What I find so utterly depressing about this is that even that boundary is being erased.

FloralBunting · 06/07/2021 19:44

@HecatesCatsInFancyHats

Great post Floral, it's men. It is 💯 men. But at least we had reached a consensus that men getting their dicks out in front of little girls was bad and not the little girl's fault for looking. What I find so utterly depressing about this is that even that boundary is being erased.
It's being erased precisely because predatory men are not just their genitals. They are men who disregard women.

There are more men who will ignore a woman saying No than men who will get their knobs out in public. They are the problem.

Let's stop fighting a rear guard action. I'm not going to ask people what their opinion is about a man flashing women and children is, because either they are decent and would be horrified it's even a question, or they think it's fine and are quite possibly a dodgy person themselves in which case I don't care what they think.

Our focus should be on the right of women and children to say No. Full stop. No negotiation. No wheedling excuses and exceptions.

If a woman says no, she means it and it will be respected.

Anyone, anyone, who doesn't respect a woman's right set a firm boundary is either a rape apologist, or, bluntly, a rapist.
Why are we discussing bullshit about genitals with rapists and rape apologists? Arse backwards.

Push back. Let your No be No and there's a fucking end to it.

RedDogsBeg · 06/07/2021 19:52

Let's stop fighting a rear guard action. I'm not going to ask people what their opinion is about a man flashing women and children is, because either they are decent and would be horrified it's even a question, or they think it's fine and are quite possibly a dodgy person themselves in which case I don't care what they think.

Our focus should be on the right of women and children to say No. Full stop. No negotiation. No wheedling excuses and exceptions.

If a woman says no, she means it and it will be respected.

Anyone, anyone, who doesn't respect a woman's right set a firm boundary is either a rape apologist, or, bluntly, a rapist.
Why are we discussing bullshit about genitals with rapists and rape apologists? Arse backwards
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Push back. Let your No be No and there's a fucking end to it.

Agreed.

To those who say what about TW, where do they go? Quite frankly at this point I don't care where they go as long as it is not in those spaces reserved for females, if they have a problem with that then it's up to them to sort out alternative provision.

dyslek · 06/07/2021 20:36

Floral is on fire all over this site, her writing is utterly brilliant.

Floral are you JKR?

dyslek · 06/07/2021 20:37
Grin
Zeev · 06/07/2021 21:58

The worst take I've seen today is: "so what if she had an erection in the pool next to the child. Erections are completely natural and they happen. Get over it."

OvaHere · 06/07/2021 22:15

@Zeev

The worst take I've seen today is: "so what if she had an erection in the pool next to the child. Erections are completely natural and they happen. Get over it."
I think you've found Stonewall's next marketing campaign for them.
NiceGerbil · 06/07/2021 22:16

Well yes they are. It happens esp when young.

So of course it would be involuntary and normal.

If no. They'd probably say how do you know the women (and girls prob bleurgh) aren't aroused? Eh? Women with penises can't help what their bodies are like.

RedDogsBeg · 06/07/2021 22:17

@Zeev

The worst take I've seen today is: "so what if she had an erection in the pool next to the child. Erections are completely natural and they happen. Get over it."
That comment clarifies the true intent of all the relaxing of safeguarding that is being demanded, crystal clear what the endgame is. Right side of history, seriously???