What does CIS mean?

[Babysharkdoodoodood]

I mean really?
I was discussing (ranting) about this with DH today. Trying to explain why I'm a woman and not a cis female.

Then he come out with this beauty (not being nasty): Doesn't it just mean Cunt In Situ?

I was absolutely howling mainly because it's true

Does sex scare you?

It is very child-like isn't it. Freud and his ilk would have had a field day with some of this lot.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

You have to remember that not everyone thinks that sex is solely about gametes.

Yes, some people think that Elvis didn't really die, or that the moon landings were faked. There is one reason only for sex in mammals. We can be as coy about it as we like but it's necessary to the the survival of all life. Gametes are the single essential factor in human reproduction. Females produce large gametes and males small. Without a fusion of each of these gametes, no human being has ever come into existence.

This is a statement signed by 2617 scientists including hundreds of biologists, physicians, geneticists, anatomists and several Nobel Prize winners:

not-binary.org/statement/?fbclid=IwAR29fQ9nHtgrIWGMSsSdefR_OWPeMuZEmei0G3oEC31bAP_FThbngykjjtU

"The proposal is in no way “grounded in science” as the administration claims. The relationship between sex chromosomes, genitalia, and gender identity is complex, and not fully understood. There are no genetic tests that can unambiguously determine gender, or even sex. Furthermore, even if such tests existed, it would be unconscionable to use the pretext of science to enact policies that overrule the lived experience of people’s own gender identities."

Why isn’t sex chromosomes?

Good job it doesn't do that then isn't it ?

Please stop peddling the suicide myth

You don't seem to realise that telling trans people they are likely to feel suicidal drives suicidal thoughts?

@Beowulfa

How would you tell me you're not trans?

I just say "I'm a woman". It has a clear meaning understood by everyone outside of SocialMediaLand. It's really not that complicated.

A perfectly valid approach. Most trans women would say the same. I'm sure your conversation about trans people will flow smoothly from there.

As previously discussed, I don't find that statement contradicts anything about what I have said. It's a lot of ideological special pleading, as a political open letter, mostly by people who aren't actually experts in the relevant fields.

You can determine sex at embryo stage

Why is this even a cause for question?

@midgedude

Does sex scare you?

Neither the sex act nor sex characteristics "scare" me, except to say that when I was sexually assaulted as a child, that sex act was pretty terrifying.

@MarshaBradyo

You can determine sex at embryo stage

Why is this even a cause for question?

Because science is complicated.

No it’s really not.

It’s either XY or XX

Can you expand on why it’s more complicated than that

Or in a tiny minority XXX etc

But statistically vast majority XX or XY, male or female

A perfectly valid approach. Most trans women would say the same.

They might, but I'm just guessing that would only hold until they found it necessary to let everyone know that they were "trans" and not boring biological females, and that they needed to be centred. This IMO is the male privilege of expectations - what we call male entitlement and in my experience it never really quite goes away. So I think it would all be clear.

Most scientists will tell you that sex is complex and quite difficult to define

Any scientist who wants to publicly admit that they don’t understand how babies are made probably needs a lie down in a darkened room

I mean, you do you - that's fine, but you narrow view, isn't representative of reality

My irony meter exploded

Are you still going on about that letter? We explained at length on the other thread why it is arse.

Do you really think people will actually believe your assertion that ?

If a statement includes such a manifestly false assertion as there is no genetic test to determine a person's sex then why on earth do you think anybody would take the statement seriously?

That some academics signed it just makes me question what the hell is going on in their world that they thought it a good idea to publicly put their name to tosh like "there is no scientific way to tell the sex of a mammal."

• Most scientists will tell you that sex is complex and quite difficult to define

No they won't. Tosh.

I should have said 'no we won't', actually.

there is no genetic test to determine a person's sex

This is so odd it’s bizarre. There is a test to determine an embryo’s sex even.

Because science is complicated.

Some of science is complicated, but some really isn't.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

As previously discussed, I don't find that statement contradicts anything about what I have said. It's a lot of ideological special pleading, as a political open letter, mostly by people who aren't actually experts in the relevant fields.

Not experts?

Craig C Mello, Ph.D.
Professor and Nobel laureate Medicine 2006 of Genetics,
HHMI and Umass Medical School

Andrew Fire, Ph.D.
2006 Nobel Laureate in Physiology/Medicine,
Stanford University

Eric Wieschaus, Ph.D.
1995 Nobel Laureate Medicine/Physiology in biology,
Princeton University

Richard J. Roberts, Ph.D.
1993 Nobel Laureate in Physiology or Medicine,
New England Biolabs

Carol W. Greider, Ph.D.
Department Chair & Nobel Laureate in Molecular Biology,
Johns Hopkins University

Evan M. Garofalo, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Anatomy and Biological Anthropology,
University of Arizona College of Medicine - Phoenix

I mean, that's just me taking a moment to pick out a few. I'm sure they would be interested in being educated by you.

@MarshaBradyo

there is no genetic test to determine a person's sex

This is so odd it’s bizarre. There is a test to determine an embryo’s sex even.

You know that list includes hundreds of geneticists, right? Are you saying you're right and they're all wrong? Are you qualified to give that pronouncement?

Shizuku do you think humans are either XX or XY?

(For vast majority, bar very few)

@MarshaBradyo

No it’s really not.

It’s either XY or XX

Can you expand on why it’s more complicated than that

There are hundreds of geneticists on the link posted above who I'm sure will be happy to help.

@MarshaBradyo

Shizuku do you think humans are either XX or XY?

(For vast majority, bar very few)

Do you think those hundreds of geneticists on the link above - you know, the people who actually study genetics - think it's that simple?

You know that list includes hundreds of geneticists, right? Are you saying you're right and they're all wrong? Are you qualified to give that pronouncement?

It’s a bizarre statement. But yes I go with the all the other experts who understand sex can be tested for. As such even basic tests can tell you this - Harmony for example. Or if you’re doing IVF there is a test to let you know if XX or XY, ie male or female.