What does CIS mean?

[Babysharkdoodoodood]

I mean really?
I was discussing (ranting) about this with DH today. Trying to explain why I'm a woman and not a cis female.

Then he come out with this beauty (not being nasty): Doesn't it just mean Cunt In Situ?

I was absolutely howling mainly because it's true

@Shizuku

"Do you typically ignore a large group of people who say a word is offensive?"

Would you ever call a trans woman "male" or a "man" given that they have made it pretty clear they find that offensive?

No.

Sometimes I have heard a transwoman on the radio and only at the interview realised that they were a transwoman (ie I heard them as male, not as female), and I think there are lots of situations where if somebody doesn't signal that they wish to be responded to in a particular way, but that's not the same thing is it?

How would you tell me you're not trans?

I just say "I'm a woman". It has a clear meaning understood by everyone outside of SocialMediaLand. It's really not that complicated.

Trans men are male

Jesus

Words have meaning. You think any woman who has declared herself to be trans had a body capable of producing small mobile gametes that can fertilize an egg? What magic is this?

Right, and "Actually my friend isn't trans" means the same thing as "Actually my friend is cis"

It does to you as you are concerned with more people using it.

It doesn’t to others as it’s offensive.

Right, and "Actually my friend isn't trans" means the same thing as "Actually my friend is cis".

Not to me it doesn't, because I consider it a loaded term which presupposes my belief in an ideology I don't believe in, so I'll stick with the first one, thanks.

Again with these binaries. Why does everything have to be a strict X / not-X binary?

Your world view is so blinkered. Can't you just accept that we're trans-queer and don't fit into your transnormative gender boxes?

Right, and "Actually my friend isn't trans" means the same thing as "Actually my friend is cis"

Nope

Oh love you are muddled

Transmen are not men but perceived as female , they are transmen which means they have to be female or they could not be called trans

Because the words don't mean what you think they mean. Make, female ,man , woman it's not about gender but sex

Is English your first language? Or did you grow up outside of the mainstream and miss out on sex education ?

Again with these binaries. Why does everything have to be a strict X / not-X binary?

Your world view is so blinkered. Can't you just accept that we're trans-queer and don't fit into your transnormative gender boxes?

Indeed

Does sex scare you?

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

I dunno why I’m bothering really but

Would you ever call a trans woman "male" or a "man" given that they have made it pretty clear they find that offensive

Man or male is not a made up word, and in contexts where sex is relevant is the correct descriptor for a man who has declared himself to be trans. No woman could declare herself to be a transwoman.

All words are made up.

In contexts where trans people and cis people are being discussed, "cis" is a correct descriptor for someone who isn't trans.

For example, watch feminist activist Patsy Stevenson using both "cis" and "trans" here. See how nothing bad happens - no one dies, the sky doesn't fall in - it's just a woman using a word to express exactly the same idea you regularly express using slightly more words.

twitter.com/counterfireorg/status/1370899755786702849

No one dies if you use very offensive words generally.

I still won’t accept it. And nor will many others women, tg.

@MarshaBradyo

Right, and "Actually my friend isn't trans" means the same thing as "Actually my friend is cis"

It does to you as you are concerned with more people using it.

It doesn’t to others as it’s offensive.

It literally does.

In your head yes. But you can’t speak for others.

Can you really not see that?

Would you tell someone to accept an offensive racial word because you literally see them as the same?

No one dies if we acknowledge that people can't change sex. So that's ok then, isn't it?

And dies the sky fall in every time someone calls a transwoman male?

No

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

Trans men are male

Jesus

Words have meaning. You think any woman who has declared herself to be trans had a body capable of producing small mobile gametes that can fertilize an egg? What magic is this?

You have to remember that not everyone thinks that sex is solely about gametes. I appreciate that's a thing with GC types, but it's not a thing for everyone. Most scientists will tell you that sex is complex and quite difficult to define.

I mean, you do you - that's fine, but you narrow view, isn't representative of reality.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

No one dies if we acknowledge that people can't change sex. So that's ok then, isn't it?

At least this has biological reality as the base.

I mean, you do you - that's fine, but you narrow view, isn't representative of reality.

Do you accept chromosomes XX and XY are distinct and sex based?

Or how do you rationalise chromosomes

Why should a tiny minority get to decide what the overwhelming majority are called?

You have to remember that not everyone thinks that sex is solely about gametes. I appreciate that's a thing with GC types, but it's not a thing for everyone. Most scientists will tell you that sex is complex and quite difficult to define.

I mean, you do you - that's fine, but you narrow view, isn't representative of reality.

I don't think it's us that has the narrow view. 99.9% of the population understands what biological sex is, and how to recognise it. Even those who claim not to because they are speaking from a motivated position. I can assure you that none of the biologists in the university I work in think that sex is difficult to define.

You have to remember that not everyone thinks that sex is solely about gametes.

Yes, some people think that Elvis didn't really die, or that the moon landings were faked. There is one reason only for sex in mammals. We can be as coy about it as we like but it's necessary to the the survival of all life. Gametes are the single essential factor in human reproduction. Females produce large gametes and males small. Without a fusion of each of these gametes, no human being has ever come into existence.

None of this political posturing by TRAs has any bearing on the biological reality of male and female.

Or the reality faced by women and girls as a sex class due to their physically sexed bodies and social expectations around them.