What does CIS mean?

[Babysharkdoodoodood]

I mean really?
I was discussing (ranting) about this with DH today. Trying to explain why I'm a woman and not a cis female.

Then he come out with this beauty (not being nasty): Doesn't it just mean Cunt In Situ?

I was absolutely howling mainly because it's true

It facilitates the claim that cis people are privileged over trans.

We are.

The women here are so so privileged to have been beaten into 2nd, 3rd and 4th places.

The woman in silver medal position is Feagaiga Stowers in a weightlifting event at the Pacific Games.

Feagaiga Stowers, who pulled herself up out of poverty and abuse to sporting greatness was expected to take gold. Instead a middle aged mediocre millionaire weightlifter had made the brave decision to transitioned away from losing in the men's competition to winning in the women's.

It is offensive to say those women are privileged compared to him.

Look at the woman who lost the bronze because of it. Look at her standing behind the podium.

Who in that picture is dripping with privilege?

How are women more privileged than trans women?

It facilitates the claim that cis people are privileged over trans.

We are.

Ah yes, Sarah Everard's 'cis privilege' totally protected her didn't it.... Same with those 118 women that were readout in parliament by Jess Phillips.

Tell me, how else do women have 'cis privilege' over transwomen?

Because someone being cis is generally assumed unless otherwise stated. Well, outside of trans spaces.

This is a ridiculous thing to assume. The vast majority of people have never considered if they have a gender identity separate from their actual body as they assume gender is a synonym for sex, so your gender would be the same as your sex.

For gender critical feminists, it's hopelessly wrong to tell them they are "cis" because they are painfully aware that as feminists they don't fit the gendered expectations of society. The gendered experience of female fits very badly with their feelings.

I really wish people who believe in the trans ideology would stop trying to impose it on everyone else.

If you are using it to describe yourself it means: "under his eye"

It's really fucking sexist. That's what cis is.

(by my last flippant comment I mean that it is a recognition that you accept that a woman is no longer an adult human female, but a feeling. This feeling is often described by TW writers (eg. Andrea long Chu) as akin to "submissiveness". It also allows the suggestion that there is no more difference between a TW and an adult human female than there is between a woman who is tall and a woman who is short, a woman who has blue eyes and a woman who has brown eyes. It is an acceptance that you no longer have sex-based rights.

So if Rachel Dolezal had called herself a transAfrican American it would have been OK?

@Babysharkdoodoodood though your husband could be on to something

Being specific is necessary some times. "Cis is a slur," is the same thing as the "straight is a slur, I'm just normal" shit that straight people have been known to pull out, lol.

How lacking in feeling do you have to be in the week that Sarah Everard was snatched off the street and murdered to tell women they are privileged ???

It’s everything you profess to be against.

How about some inclusivity and understanding of someone else’s lived experience??

It is possible for other people to be disadvantaged too you know?

We’re disadvantaged not because we aren’t trans, we are disadvantaged because we aren’t men.

You know I can see how a person who is 100% happy with the stereotypes for their sex in their culture would be happier than somebody who isn't.

That's not "privilege" though.

Also, hardly anyone is cis. Nearly everyone is non-binary.

We don't describe ourselves that way because we don't believe in innate gender identity, only in patriarchal oppression through gender.

Cis is offensive to women. And men.

I first came across it in chemistry where it's used to describe different isomers in molecules which can exist as a mirror image of each other.

The literal meaning is 'the same side as' and is the opposite of 'trans' meaning opposite side of.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cis%E2%80%93trans_isomerism

In gender context its been bastardised to mean whatever the person saying it wants it to mean.

@Hibari

Literally just means "not trans." Opposite prefix.

If you and I were talking about women, it'd be assumed that, as neither of us are trans, we're talking about either both cis and trans women or exclusively cis women.

If two trans women were talking about women, it'd be assumed that as neither of them are cis, they're talking about either both cis and trans women or exclusively trans women.

Being specific is necessary some times. "Cis is a slur," is the same thing as the "straight is a slur, I'm just normal" shit that straight people have been known to pull out, lol.

It facilitates the claim that cis people are privileged over trans.

We are.

How the heck am I, a woman who has had to deal with a lifetime of sex discrimination/sexual assault more privileged than someone like Eddie Izzard or Pip Bunce?

Honest to fucking god. I’ve spent a lifetime railing against the gender box society has placed me in, how dare you relegate me to being a subset of my own sex class. No.

It is offensive to assign a gender identity to people who are not believers.

Just like if you said to me that I must be a Protestant because you don't see me going to Mass.

Like you then tell me "Protestant just means not Catholic" and persist in describing me as Protestant because it fits with your world view, despite me telling you I'm Jewish or atheist.

I will be extra annoyed if you discuss me saying I am clearly Protestant because you can see my work ethic and lack of images of Mary in my house.

I'm not cis. I'm not Protestant. Stop assigning beliefs to me.

In gender context its been bastardised to mean whatever the person saying it wants it to mean.

That's because "trans" isn't an adjective, it's a prefix. Its meaning can only be determined by what it's modifying. And the same applies to "cis".

It's not the "cis" (or the "trans") we're objecting to - it's the "gender" they're both attached to.

It's sexist.

It's another label.

It's another box to put people in.

It's regressive.

I don’t ‘feel’ like a woman though. I don’t wear dresses or make up and I really like action movies.
I just AM a woman.

The word came up in the seminar DH was teaching today to undergraduate students. He said that he did not want that label imposed upon him and he found its implications offensive. Now awaiting the complaints . . . or maybe not because he's not female.

yesterday, sorry.

”Cis is a slur," is the same thing as the "straight is a slur, I'm just normal" shit that straight people have been known to pull out, lol.

Straight doesn’t mean “normal” nor does it mean “non-gay”. It has a specific meaning: heterosexual.

Therefore if you want to claim “cis” is comparable, it neither means “normal”, nor “non-trans”

So if they are comparable, as you claim, cis must mean having a gender identity that matches your sex.

And if that is your claimed meaning, you are then forcing a gender identity on people who don’t have one.. Which is astonishingly self-centred for someone who expects everyone else to accept they are what they say they are, and not what they are objectively.

Literally just means "not trans."

I don't think this is true. Although the meaning of terms used to describe people's "gender" does appear to be in a constant state of flux (so it's hard to keep up) but as of today, Stonewall's "glossary of terms" defines "cis" as...

Someone whose gender identity is the same as the sex they were assigned at birth. Non-trans is also used by some people

So it doesn't just mean "not trans".

According to Stonewall a person would need to have a "gender identity" to be "cis". And since many women on here say they do not possess such a thing, that must mean, that they are (without prefix) women (presumably by virtue of their female biology).

Hibari's explanation is largely right.

A cis woman is a woman who was, to use the gender critical terms, observed to be female at birth.

A cis man is a man who was observed to be male at birth.

There are people who aren't trans who aren't cis (a portion of non-binary people, as well as other genders in other cultures, such as the Tahitian/Native Hawaiian māhū, who do not neccessarily perscribe to Western culture).

It says nothing about how someone presents, if they fit or enjoy stereotypes, what their interests are, or adhering to sex roles.

A cis woman is a woman who was, to use the gender critical terms, observed to be female at birth.

There is no other kind of woman. "Cis" is unnecessary.

There are women and trans women.

• A cis woman is a woman who was, to use the gender critical terms, observed to be female at birth.

A cis man is a man who was observed to be male at birth.*

Generally known as a 'woman' and a 'man'.

'Ciswoman' is as necessary and useful a word as cisplant, cisport or cisition. The 'trans' in transgender isn't the positional meaning, it's the 'change' meaning. Transition.

Word salad central!!!!