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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall -thread 2

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OvaHere · 12/02/2021 10:25

Previous thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3950877-Allison-Bailey-to-sue-Stonewall

Allison's website allisonbailey.co.uk

Statement

First and foremost, I hope that my legal action will bring me justice. I also hope that it can stop Stonewall from policing free speech via its Diversity Champions scheme.

Stonewall have signed up many companies, public bodies, voluntary sector organisations and government departments to their manifesto and their value system regarding trans rights. What is called Stonewall Law. Without most of the public realising it, a large swathe of British employers have signed up to the Stonewall value system. It has done this by trying to silence and vilify women like me who have genuine concerns about how its approach to trans inclusivity conflicts with the protections, safety and dignity of women, girls, children and LGB people.

We cannot achieve a just outcome for everyone while Stonewall are free to threaten women like me with the loss of our livelihoods and reputations. Stonewall must be held to account. I intend to do just that.

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OvaHere · 12/02/2021 14:12

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Communications with SW could be said to have amounted to collusion. More than reasonable case that reductions in fee income were about her views and not about “opportunities” as argued by Khan.

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2fallsagain · 12/02/2021 14:12

yes, it's all good. She has an arguable case.

BuntingEllacott · 12/02/2021 14:13

Bloody hell that was stressful.

OvaHere · 12/02/2021 14:13

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Judge Stout: There is evidence in bundle that suggests collusion between those from GCC and those connected with Stonewall
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Judge Stout: arguable case that work has been effected by views of clerks
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Judge Stout: it is a properly pleaded claim, not prepared to say no reasonable chance of success

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OvaHere · 12/02/2021 14:14

Phew! I'm so relieved, it wasn't looking good there for a while.

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TheLaughingGenome · 12/02/2021 14:15

This is really important. Glad I'm watching it unfurl live on here. Can't abide Twitter any more.

WarOnWomen · 12/02/2021 14:15

It's through?

OvaHere · 12/02/2021 14:16

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Judge Stout: there is evidence that Michelle Brewer may have found the claimants views bigoted & not worthy of respect.

Sound is breaking up again.

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whenfirstwepracticetodeceive · 12/02/2021 14:16

Oh what a tangled web they wove..

WarOnWomen · 12/02/2021 14:16

Fuck me, that was tense and stressful

Thank you for live feed of Twitter feed. Thanks

PronounssheRa · 12/02/2021 14:17

Judge Stout: There is evidence in bundle that suggests collusion between those from GCC and those connected with Stonewall

Astonishing, but not surprising. There is evidence of collusion between Chambers and stonewall, (employees?)

It really is time any public funding was stopped and stonewall no longer having access to public institutions.

Sunlight is good, and there will be more.

OvaHere · 12/02/2021 14:17

Seems to be some technical problems with IT

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Judge Stout trying to log in and out.

Discussion over who’s muted!!
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Judge Stout: I think I will have to give written reasons for this

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highame · 12/02/2021 14:17

loving it. Am on tenterhooks, waiting for daughter but also want to hear if judge will order disclosure at this point or will wait for request?

2fallsagain · 12/02/2021 14:17

No, she is addressing another point now. About indirect discrimination

OvaHere · 12/02/2021 14:18

@PronounssheRa

Judge Stout: There is evidence in bundle that suggests collusion between those from GCC and those connected with Stonewall

Astonishing, but not surprising. There is evidence of collusion between Chambers and stonewall, (employees?)

It really is time any public funding was stopped and stonewall no longer having access to public institutions.

Sunlight is good, and there will be more.

Yes. All of this.
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highame · 12/02/2021 14:19

I wonder if Crowdjustice are feeling a little jumpy right now?

TheLaughingGenome · 12/02/2021 14:19

Judge Stout: there is evidence that Michelle Brewer may have found the claimants views bigoted & not worthy of respect.

Brewer is a judge. This is extraordinary.

OvaHere · 12/02/2021 14:19

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Now turns to the indirect discrimination. Respondent says people were just expressing personal views. Judge can’t see any evidence that her views were disparaged by Sikand. But Brewer’s communications do suggest it. Unclear whether Brewer was acting on GCC’s behalf.
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Sikand’s investigation seems measured. However Brewer and other did see claimsnts views as bigoted and sought to communicate with heads of chambers about it. Enough material to go to trial.

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2fallsagain · 12/02/2021 14:20

I "think" she has said it's arguable that Stonewall exerted influence on chambers to act against the claimant.

OvaHere · 12/02/2021 14:20

Enough material to go to trial

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OvaHere · 12/02/2021 14:20

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Second PCP: claimant may not succeed in showing that SW caused action. However it did seek to persuade GCC to act and threatened it.
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More than reasonable chance of success. So no deposit order .

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SophocIestheFox · 12/02/2021 14:21

Thank you for the updates, ovahere. IANAL but it seems positive so far. Not sure what more we could have hoped for- will guidance be given over the legally required disclosure that AB needs?

OvaHere · 12/02/2021 14:22

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Judge Stout: I consider claim stands more than a reasonable chance of success

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2021 14:23

Ova you are doing a magnificent job live posting from two live tweet feeds! ThanksWine

OvaHere · 12/02/2021 14:23

So it looks like it will progress to a full hearing. Not sure how the redaction issue will be resolved? Perhaps a separate application will have to be made to the court to allow full disclosure?

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