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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Urgent action for those in Scotland

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SusanSmithFWS · 05/12/2020 18:58

The amazing Johann Lamont has put in an amendment to the forensic medical services bill. This is a really important piece of legislation which seeks to make the process easier for rape victims and we support it. We are concerned, however, that although the women who testified that access to a female examiner was the most important concern, the bill still refers to the gender - instead of sex - of the examiner.

Sex, unlike gender, is defined in the Equality Act and there is provision for recruitment under schedule 9. We believe that a small change will ensure that there is no ambiguity.

We would urge anyone from Scotland to please write to all eight of their MSPs and ask them to support the motion.

As Susan Dalgety reported in the Scotsman:
Her amendment may be only six words long – “for the word ‘gender’ substitute ‘sex’” – but it gets to the heart of the current debate about who counts as a woman.

“Women should be able to choose the sex of the person who conducts the investigation,” Johann told me last night. “This is a key test for the Parliament, which is committed to rooting action in the understanding of experience. Women courageously and powerfully spoke up so that others might fare better than them.

“The amendment is tiny but would be a huge step in listening to survivors. The committee was convinced. The Parliament should be too.”

Six words can make a world of difference.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/transgender-debate-msps-must-stand-womens-sex-based-rights-key-vote-bill-help-rape-victims-susan-dalgety-3057640

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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 10/12/2020 17:49

Yes!

Lamont was amazing calling out the cowards who won’t speak up

Monica Lennon OTOH managing to centre penis even when talking about raped women Angry

Sexnotgender · 10/12/2020 17:50

Fucking yes! So delighted ❤️❤️

allmywhat · 10/12/2020 17:51

Yes 113 No 9 1 abstention

Wow. Were people able to vote their conscience instead of virtue signalling? There is no sane reason not to vote for it and every compassionate reason to do so, but since when have sanity and compassion ruled this debate? This is amazing.

Well done to everyone who wrote to their MSPs.

thereplycamefromanchorage · 10/12/2020 17:51

Amazing! I do hope all those emails MSPs have received on this subject might make them reflect on how the electorate feels about attempts to remove women's sex based rights.

Glitterypants · 10/12/2020 17:52

That is excellent!

Now, onto the next of the many, many ways some of the SNP and Greens are attempting to eradicate women's rights and dignity in Scotland. No rest for the wicked!

As for Rape Crisis Scotland, seriously, I hope they gave a debrief with someone senior.

How dare the Greens accuse people voting in favour of those of doing so for other reasons, when it's them that are doing so.

Dogman · 10/12/2020 17:52

I’m not even in Scotland and my eyes welled up when I read that. Wow. One word and one woman can make such a difference.

marvellousnightforamooncup · 10/12/2020 17:52

Such a relief. Is the tide possibly beginning to turn?

allmywhat · 10/12/2020 17:52

And there needs to be some kind of inquiry into Rape Crisis Scotland.

yourhairiswinterfire · 10/12/2020 17:53

So delighted for all you women in Scotland!

littlbrowndog · 10/12/2020 17:53

Omg I missed. Started watching saw Joanna Lamont then another lady.

Did we win ?

EyesOpening · 10/12/2020 17:53
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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 10/12/2020 17:53

One word and one woman can make such a difference. Star

And every email, letter & phone call to MSPs Xmas Smile

littlbrowndog · 10/12/2020 17:54

Oh we did awesome

I got no reply of the labour.

Was interrupt on my post by cat baby incident

ChristmasSlayRide · 10/12/2020 17:55

Well done J.Lamont and everyone who stood up for survivors.

littlbrowndog · 10/12/2020 17:56

💃💃💃💃💃💃💃💃💃

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 10/12/2020 17:57

Was interrupt on my post by cat baby incident
Xmas Grin cat v.s baby or cat plus baby or kitten?Xmas Grin

(Sorry I’m so bloody relieved!)

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2020 17:59

Does anyone better at negotiating the ScotGov website than me know how to find out who voted what, without checking each individual MSP?

Mollyollydolly · 10/12/2020 18:00

Delighted for all you Scottish women. I wish we had more women of her calibre. She was amazing. Well done on all your letter writing.

littlbrowndog · 10/12/2020 18:01

Baby vs cat. There was a kerfuffle.

Was baby sitting. Eek

OvaHere · 10/12/2020 18:02

Excellent. Really good news. Well done Scottish women.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 10/12/2020 18:03

Baby vs cat. Grin that could go either way. I used to greatly enjoy babysitting for old grumpy cat, new daft puppy & 3 kids - the time flew by Wink

Its it should be on the meeting report I think but I don’t know how long it takes to be published

Imnobody4 · 10/12/2020 18:05

Wow that's what I call a result, I really expected it go be close. I do think the tide is turning.

Melroses · 10/12/2020 18:05

Saw this on Twitter. Congratulations awesome Scottish women. Grin

All that hard work to maintain common sense Flowers

chilling19 · 10/12/2020 18:07

Great news. Well done to Lamont et al.

ScoldsBridle · 10/12/2020 18:15

So this is the first time I’ve ever used Write to Me and therefore wrote to so many MSPs on one issue. Two out of the three Conservatives wrote back and supported. My Green MSP didn’t acknowledge/reply and neither did any of Scottish Labour. Interesting.