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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Urgent action for those in Scotland

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SusanSmithFWS · 05/12/2020 18:58

The amazing Johann Lamont has put in an amendment to the forensic medical services bill. This is a really important piece of legislation which seeks to make the process easier for rape victims and we support it. We are concerned, however, that although the women who testified that access to a female examiner was the most important concern, the bill still refers to the gender - instead of sex - of the examiner.

Sex, unlike gender, is defined in the Equality Act and there is provision for recruitment under schedule 9. We believe that a small change will ensure that there is no ambiguity.

We would urge anyone from Scotland to please write to all eight of their MSPs and ask them to support the motion.

As Susan Dalgety reported in the Scotsman:
Her amendment may be only six words long – “for the word ‘gender’ substitute ‘sex’” – but it gets to the heart of the current debate about who counts as a woman.

“Women should be able to choose the sex of the person who conducts the investigation,” Johann told me last night. “This is a key test for the Parliament, which is committed to rooting action in the understanding of experience. Women courageously and powerfully spoke up so that others might fare better than them.

“The amendment is tiny but would be a huge step in listening to survivors. The committee was convinced. The Parliament should be too.”

Six words can make a world of difference.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/transgender-debate-msps-must-stand-womens-sex-based-rights-key-vote-bill-help-rape-victims-susan-dalgety-3057640

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/12/2020 17:26

How dare they centre the feelings of males in the rights of female rape survivors.

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:27

Wightman now, who's already thrown females undre the bus and told everyone to fuck off, iirc.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/12/2020 17:28

She says a GRC means someone is of the female sex legally (and that means that a transwoman can carry out examinations as a female, I presume?)

There are still exemptions. Rape counsellor, let alone intimate examiner, is mentioned as being a possible example of a proportionate use of restricting a role to only members of the same biological sex.

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:30

Yes, that's what I understood, Ereshkiga. She seems to be misinformed?

ScoldsBridle · 10/12/2020 17:31

Let’s not leave it to ‘interpretation’ shall we - let’s have clarity - sex not gender - where is this guy going with this?

Mollyollydolly · 10/12/2020 17:31

I want to punch that bloke sorry. He might have voted for it, but he wont because we're transphobes. Was that his argument?

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:31

Ooh, is Andy going to counter the Green stance?

Ah, he's concerned at the tone of debate.

Voting against. Coward.

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:32

Roughly, Molly.

He's done it before. See the article posted.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2020 17:34

FFS if it changes nothing just change it!

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:35

Harper expects the amendment to be passed.

Good point - notes that women already have the right to express their preference.

Now summing up - don't know this woman's name - the reality is that changing the wording changes nothing about how forensic services are delivered.

Trauma-informed care - health boards must seek to avoid re-traumatisation

number of females has dramatically increased

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:36

She's talking about the Equality Act and specific exemptions

established rights of women to request a female examiner

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:38

Lamont now summing up - calling out people who are not speaking up or raising concerns

Hahaha - Libdem stands up to protest, but Lamont says thanks, she wasn't talking about him Smile

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:40

Lamont says amendment will make a difference,

'forgive me if I centre survivors'

'these people are not responsible for what people say on Twitter'

Ooh, she is blistering.

ScoldsBridle · 10/12/2020 17:43

Holding my breath...

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:44

and me

Glitterypants · 10/12/2020 17:45

My green MSP response says

'Making a single word change to the legislation about the request will not solve this problem, and appears to be motivated by views on other issues.'

How DARE he!

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:45

God this is the longest minute in history

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:46

Yes 113

No 9

1 abstention

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:46

Sex, not gender.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2020 17:46

So the amendu passed?

334bu · 10/12/2020 17:47

Passed

crumpet · 10/12/2020 17:48

Overwhelming result!!

ScoldsBridle · 10/12/2020 17:48

Thank goodness - Johann Lamont you are a true hero and that was a resoundingly encouraging result. I really hope the 9 who voted against are examining their consciences.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2020 17:49

I'm really really surprised by how overwhelming the vote was - I thought it was going to be really close!