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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Urgent action for those in Scotland

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SusanSmithFWS · 05/12/2020 18:58

The amazing Johann Lamont has put in an amendment to the forensic medical services bill. This is a really important piece of legislation which seeks to make the process easier for rape victims and we support it. We are concerned, however, that although the women who testified that access to a female examiner was the most important concern, the bill still refers to the gender - instead of sex - of the examiner.

Sex, unlike gender, is defined in the Equality Act and there is provision for recruitment under schedule 9. We believe that a small change will ensure that there is no ambiguity.

We would urge anyone from Scotland to please write to all eight of their MSPs and ask them to support the motion.

As Susan Dalgety reported in the Scotsman:
Her amendment may be only six words long – “for the word ‘gender’ substitute ‘sex’” – but it gets to the heart of the current debate about who counts as a woman.

“Women should be able to choose the sex of the person who conducts the investigation,” Johann told me last night. “This is a key test for the Parliament, which is committed to rooting action in the understanding of experience. Women courageously and powerfully spoke up so that others might fare better than them.

“The amendment is tiny but would be a huge step in listening to survivors. The committee was convinced. The Parliament should be too.”

Six words can make a world of difference.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/transgender-debate-msps-must-stand-womens-sex-based-rights-key-vote-bill-help-rape-victims-susan-dalgety-3057640

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/12/2020 18:47

This was law making. Laws must be precise, the words used must be clear and precise and understood.

ScotGov has history.
murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2020/04/21/shifting-sands-on-the-definition-of-woman-in-scots-law-the-journey-of-the-gender-representation-on-public-boards-act-from-consultation-to-implementation/

murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2020/11/30/international-evidence-and-the-risks-of-reframing-the-sex-question-in-the-census/

A cynical person might think they are gradually writing sex out of the laws in favour of gender deliberately...

ArabellaScott · 15/12/2020 19:30

The rights of a sex offence victim come first. What they want and what they need should come first. Their right to a choice has just been taken from them. They need to feel they have a say in what happens to their body going forward.

Any suggestion that a rape victim/survivor's preference is in some way problematic or transphobic is abhorrent.

Thanks for the links, ItsAll. I feel I may need a drink to get through them ...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/12/2020 21:35

The rights of a sex offence victim come first. What they want and what they need should come first. Their right to a choice has just been taken from them. They need to feel they have a say in what happens to their body going forward.

Absolutely.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/12/2020 21:38

Hmm, that's less clear, stationed, as I read it. It does imply that gender reassignment equals a change of sex?

The exemptions can still be applied if there is a legitimate aim and they are a proportionate means of achieving that aim.

MsF1t · 18/12/2020 16:10

Andy Wightman has resigned from the Greens: www.holyrood.com/news/view,andy-wightman-resigns-from-scottish-greens

MsF1t · 18/12/2020 16:13

Sorry, link fail.

The Guardian one seems to work. www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/18/scottish-greens-msp-resigns-claiming-intolerance-over-women-and-trans-rights

2magpies1pigeon · 18/12/2020 18:16

Good for him.
But such a pity that there is no room for debate or differences of opinion in the Green party.

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