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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Urgent action for those in Scotland

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SusanSmithFWS · 05/12/2020 18:58

The amazing Johann Lamont has put in an amendment to the forensic medical services bill. This is a really important piece of legislation which seeks to make the process easier for rape victims and we support it. We are concerned, however, that although the women who testified that access to a female examiner was the most important concern, the bill still refers to the gender - instead of sex - of the examiner.

Sex, unlike gender, is defined in the Equality Act and there is provision for recruitment under schedule 9. We believe that a small change will ensure that there is no ambiguity.

We would urge anyone from Scotland to please write to all eight of their MSPs and ask them to support the motion.

As Susan Dalgety reported in the Scotsman:
Her amendment may be only six words long – “for the word ‘gender’ substitute ‘sex’” – but it gets to the heart of the current debate about who counts as a woman.

“Women should be able to choose the sex of the person who conducts the investigation,” Johann told me last night. “This is a key test for the Parliament, which is committed to rooting action in the understanding of experience. Women courageously and powerfully spoke up so that others might fare better than them.

“The amendment is tiny but would be a huge step in listening to survivors. The committee was convinced. The Parliament should be too.”

Six words can make a world of difference.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/transgender-debate-msps-must-stand-womens-sex-based-rights-key-vote-bill-help-rape-victims-susan-dalgety-3057640

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Galvantula · 09/12/2020 20:17

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ArabellaScott · 09/12/2020 20:20

It's Baltic, tho! I'd need more vests!

WouldBeGood · 09/12/2020 21:54

Patrick Harvie 😡

malloo · 09/12/2020 22:05

Rape Crisis - wtf? this is incredible

Had positive response from Conservatives but nothing from SNP, Libdem or Labour.

morningtoncrescent62 · 09/12/2020 22:31

Two positive responses from Conservatives and a boilerplate from Green. Three out of eight with an election in a few months.

Ladyjohngray · 10/12/2020 07:57

I just received a positive response from Labour:

Thank you for your email regarding the Stage 3: Forensic Medical Services (Victims of Sexual Offences) (Scotland) Bill.

The amendment by my colleague Johann Lamont is intended to meet the recommendation of the Health and Sport Committee in our Stage One report, which was that “gender” should be replaced by “sex” in order to achieve the objective you have described. The Scottish Government did not amend the Bill at Stage Two to reflect the Committee’s recommendation, and this amendment at Stage Three is therefore the final opportunity to amend the Bill before it becomes law.

I am grateful to Johann Lamont for bringing forward this amendment to reflect the Committee’s concerns, and more fundamentally the wishes of women who are the victims of sexual violence by men. My Labour colleagues and I will be voting for this amendment.

Thank you for writing to me about this important matter.

Annnnnnnnnd · 10/12/2020 08:01

I've now had 2 positive conservatives and 1 positive labour, plus the rubbish Green boilerplate response. I can only despise people who play ideological games with women who have just been raped. Would they put their own daughters through that, I wonder?

AndNob · 10/12/2020 08:55

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ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 09:36

I am astounded by Rape Crisis' actions here. I understand the need for more female examiners, but if the word makes so little difference why on earth do they seem to be insisting it should be 'gender'?

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 10/12/2020 09:45

I assume it’s the Fife effect influencing rape crisis - whatever their reason they’re not fit for purpose

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 09:49

Ah, I forgot, the Forth Valley Rape Crisis Centre of course has a male manager presenting as a female.

AndreiaNobre · 10/12/2020 09:53

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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 10/12/2020 10:53

Just had an affirmative from another Labour MSP

Galvantula · 10/12/2020 11:26

@AndreiaNobre I was just looking at your book the other day :)

AndreiaNobre · 10/12/2020 12:02

@Galvantula Thanks your username is not strange to me, we follow each other on Twitter or we talked before here! If you do get it I hope you have as much fun reading it as I had writing it! xx

Sexnotgender · 10/12/2020 12:04

The greens have ordered all their MSPs to vote against. Cunts.

terryleather · 10/12/2020 12:11

@Sexnotgender

The greens have ordered all their MSPs to vote against. Cunts.
Disappointing but utterly unsurprising - would expect no less from the fudmeister's party.
morningtoncrescent62 · 10/12/2020 12:20

I agree, disappointing but unsurprising from the Greens.

Meanwhile I'm tuning in to First Minister's questions. Jenny Marra (Labour) is due to ask a question about puberty blockers in Scotland following the Keira Bell judgement.

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 12:22

Well, that's the last time I'll consider voting Green, then. Damn it.

Sexnotgender · 10/12/2020 12:38

No I’m not at all surprised. Misogynistic arseholes the lot of them.

littlbrowndog · 10/12/2020 12:54

Greens in Scotland. Back their leader sturgeon

littlbrowndog · 10/12/2020 12:55

I got a labour no.

SNP

Galvantula · 10/12/2020 13:01

That's pants littlbrowndog. Most of the Labour replies seemed to be supportive to Johann so far. :(

Sexnotgender · 10/12/2020 13:03

@Galvantula

That's pants littlbrowndog. Most of the Labour replies seemed to be supportive to Johann so far. :(
I was told labour has been whipped.
Glitterypants · 10/12/2020 13:09

I've had 4 positive, 2 labour 2 conservative. Haven't heard back from SNP or Green which is probably just as well, the mood I'm in... How can they not see the deep misogyny behind this? How can the women in the party facilitate this? And how can Rape Crisis sleep soundly? Wtf are they thinking?

Anyway, Jenny Marra is awesome. I knew her a bit in real life before she was a politician and she was so smart and switched on a really kind. Shame the electorate is going to lose her when she stands down, but understandable from her perspective.

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