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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

She who will not be cancelled keeps going!

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Xanthangum · 05/07/2020 13:55

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1279755418621878272?s=20

"When you lie about what I believe about mental health medication and when you misrepresent the views of a trans woman for whom I feel nothing but admiration and solidarity, you cross a line."

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2020 18:50

Dear JK
^if you are lurking
look up Chimeras
as I think that is where a lot of the erroneous science of the TRAs lies
xx^
LQ

I'm interested, can you elaborate or point us to a link?

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 07/07/2020 18:56

She is absolutely epic. I have massive respect for her.

NeurotrashWarrior · 07/07/2020 19:05

Chicken sex and chimeras are interesting; still not human biology at all though. The whole process is different.

You can get human chimeras; it's pretty rare though. And I'm not sure if they have male and female cells?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2020 19:06

I think microchimerism is a thing, where women have DNA from their children.

NeurotrashWarrior · 07/07/2020 19:08

Yes, that's how the harmony test is done from a blood test on the mother. Parts of dna from the foetus are identified.

BentBastard · 07/07/2020 19:28

Stephen Kong has piped up again and I genuinely can't tell if he is supporting JKs right to speak without abuse or telling her off for hate speech.

She who will not be cancelled keeps going!
BentBastard · 07/07/2020 19:29

*King (in case it wasn't obvious)

Lamahaha · 07/07/2020 19:31

A good article on The Atlantic.
It seems it's behind a paywall but I was able to read it in full, don't know why.

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/07/why-millennial-harry-potter-fans-reject-jk-rowling/613870/?fbclid=IwAR3srqe6KwWoAOD3kYEWvJKt9_q1G2eB9qmZAEFQIdlBqFbMJ0Hwl7tCOUY

Gncq · 07/07/2020 19:36

Yeah that entire SK Tweet could all just be acsly dig at JKR for saying "biology is real".

I like how after he Tweeted that, JKR removed a Tweet she had posted in admiration of SK!

AbsintheFriends · 07/07/2020 19:40

Regarding vituperative misogynist Aidan Comerford, I wish someone would post that song video on twitter EVERY TIME he pipes up to accuse a woman of transphobia.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2020 19:42

Stephen Kong has piped up again and I genuinely can't tell if he is supporting JKs right to speak without abuse or telling her off for hate speech.

I think he's loftily trying to be above it all while still retaining wokeness.

JKRisagryff · 07/07/2020 19:49

JK you are woman of the decade Wine

Beware Yy it is actually infuriating to see men both gay and straight posting ‘you can’t speak about this as you aren’t trans and can’t decide for them what their rights should be bla bla bla’.

Emmmm...are you really not seeing the irony there? You are neither trans or a woman so how could you think this anything to do with you? Angry

xsquared · 07/07/2020 20:09

She is absolutely amazing. Her responses to her haters are well measured and classy.

I have just pre-ordered the next Comoran Strike book.

BewaretheIckabog · 07/07/2020 20:12

Trans women are women - if you don’t say it you are literally killing trans people.

Every time I hear it I think of Peter Pan. Problem is saying it isn’t enough you have to fervently believe.

The idea that enough belief will cause something to happen known as the ‘The Tinkerbell Effect’.

Unfortunately shouting and chanting a mantra is not the same as believing it.

I believe in fairies.

ListeningQuietly · 07/07/2020 20:53

LangCleg / Neurotrash
Chimeric humans are far, far more common than had been realised.
It appears that some cancers are actually linked to chimeric cells
its a fascinating area
bugger all to do with trans
but may lead to a better understanding of rare diseases

the Trans crew think that because some men have the sells of their older sisters
and that women have cells of their brothers
and women have cells of their children

that somehow XX / XY fails
but that is NOT the case

Dive in and enjoy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics)#Humans

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2020 21:06

Thank you!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2020 21:08

Yy it is actually infuriating to see men both gay and straight posting ‘you can’t speak about this as you aren’t trans and can’t decide for them what their rights should be bla bla bla’.

Yes it's such a stunning lack of self awareness that it suggests that they don't really see women as people with rights and feelings of our own. Do they think TWAW? Do they fuck.

TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 07/07/2020 21:19

JKR. What a woman. The difference she is going to make. I keep seeing people on MN in the last 2 weeks going 'I'm new to this debate' (and agreeing with her). It's a joy to see.

ListeningQuietly · 07/07/2020 21:20

Langcleg
The coolest chimeric case I read was in New Scientist ....
a patient with kidney failure and very unusual blood type background ....
turned out their other kidney was different genetics and they could sustain a much more common transplant

but again, its ONLY when people start to look and use CRISPR that it gets found in humans

unfortunately when an article in Scientific American talks about women with male cells
it will get misinterpreted
wilfully or otherwise

and in a Web2 social media world, any idiot can express a view on any article

so JK talks sense and MA pontificates wiffle

Xanthangum · 07/07/2020 21:42

Everything that JKR has said in the last couple of weeks has been nothing but facts and common sense.

Ten years ago, we would all have just been saying "well yes of course. Why do you think you need to point this out Joanne?"

The fact that my heart leaps with joy when I read what she writes tells us how much the Overton window has moved, no?

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NotBadConsidering · 07/07/2020 23:05

She’s incredible. That is all.

lady69 · 08/07/2020 00:15

@Xanthangum

Everything that JKR has said in the last couple of weeks has been nothing but facts and common sense.

Ten years ago, we would all have just been saying "well yes of course. Why do you think you need to point this out Joanne?"

The fact that my heart leaps with joy when I read what she writes tells us how much the Overton window has moved, no?

Agree. With any luck things will get more sane as the window moves back. I can sense the whole cancel culture thing is ageing like milk and Jo Rowling is bringing light on the issue to many, many women who had no idea. And are not having any of the TRA lies.
SunsetBeetch · 08/07/2020 06:20

Still going.

She who will not be cancelled keeps going!